On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Tarek Ziadé <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:05 PM, David Cournapeau <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Tarek Ziadé <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:18 PM, David Cournapeau <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> And how does this answer the question "what are the disagreements" ? >>>> Short of saying what those are, I fail to see how to give a good >>>> answer, >>> >>> I am not sure to understand your point here. You stated two years ago, IIRC, >>> that distutils code was unmanageable and too complicated, and that a >>> write from scracth >>> was better. >> >> I am sorry if I gave the impression I wanted to start again this >> discussion. I really do not want to, and I don't think anyone else >> does either. Eric stated very cleary what was my intention. > > Ok, I am also sorry if I understood it the wrong way. > >> As for where distutils2 is going, we (me and other scipy people) have >> stated why we *believed* (and still do) it was a wrong way when Guido >> asked about it in the context of scipy, and I don't remember having >> mentioned my disagreement over this ever since. It is pretty obvious >> you won't change your mind, and I won't change mine either. > > This is precisely where I don't understand.
Here is my understanding of what happened: as we (we being at least a couple of major maintainers in the numpy community) understood it 6 months ago in the "we want CPAN" thread started by Guido, the idea was to gradually evolve from the existing code to whatever distutils2 aims up to be. Because several attempts have been made to do so by proeminent numpy developers in the last decade, we have the *experience* that this could not work, at least for us. Certainly, there was a failure from us to communicate what's wrong with current distutils design, but the situation is still the same today: absolutely none of the thing that distribute2 is working on is an improvement for us. None of the recent PEP addresses any significant issue for us. We don't care about pypi as is, we don't care about complex requirement/versioning, we don't care about uninstall, etc... We simply do not agree in any significant way on the distutils issues. If you look at bento goals, they do not even attempt to solve any issue raised in the recent PEP. And again, I am not saying this to criticize your work (or anyone's else). Surely, I cannot complain that you or someone's else is not working on my issues. But I think it is a good reason to go on our separate ways to implement a solution, at least for now. David _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
