If you think you could do it better, maybe you should submit your own version for consideration. I assume that's how the process works.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Benjamin Scherrey <proteus...@gmail.com> wrote: > Daniele, > > You're reading me completely wrong. I am not being sarcastic at all. > I'm pointing out the absurdity that one style of "code of conduct" > inevitably leads to versus another affirmative style which could actually > serve it's intended purpose. I'm not against any code - I'm quite > specifically supportive of one style and very aware and concerned about the > ramifications of the other. I don't know how much more clear I can make the > point than I already have. > > Thus far, however, your only response to my actual concern is > assurances that people will "do the right thing and be reasonable". Forgive > me if that holds absolutely no water with me because, even if I were to > trust you personally, you have no power to enforce such an assurance. But I > understand that's the best you can do because that is the best that can > ever be done with this type of thing. So the only responsible action is > don't go there. If you're going to make a policy that is completely open to > any individual's interpretation then you've actually set back the community > and have laid the foundation to harm to the very thing you're trying to > protect. > > You keep using the term "known harasser" but attempts to codify what > that is exactly are impossible via lists of "forbidden speech/actions". I > welcome evidence to the contrary but I'm fairly experienced in such matters > and don't anticipate any forthcoming. In some circles I might be a bit more > forgiving for willfully ignoring these facts. But this is a programming > group for goodness sakes! We know how to be specific about things and the > dangers of opening up things to ambiguity. We can do better. So given this, > why not just go with an affirmative policy stating how people should > conduct themselves and demonstrate good intentions without the need to > codify "evil things"? I think it accomplishes what you want to do and, best > of all, could actually work! > > -- Ben Scherrey > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Daniele Procida <dani...@vurt.org> wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014, Benjamin Scherrey <proteus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >I thought I made my objections pretty clear in my original email but I'll >> >attempt to be more pedantic about it now. The specific language in the PR >> >86 is: >> > >> >"In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a >> >person's ability to participate within them." for both faq.html and >> >index.html. >> > >> >I disagree with your assertion "that only makes explicit something that >> was >> >already the case" because that's a) not how I read it and b) completely >> >impossible to reasonably enforce or expect. >> >> I can assure you that if we became aware of someone's problematic >> behaviour then depending on the behaviour we could do anything from keeping >> a careful eye on the individual to - in extreme cases - banning them from >> participation. >> >> "Violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a person's >> ability to participate within them" is correct. It doesn't mean that action >> will be taken, but that it may be. >> >> That's already the case. If a known harrasser subscribes starts posting >> to one of our email lists, we might have a quiet word with them, just for >> example. >> >> >I hope that what is occurring is >> >simply a matter of "I don't think it means what you think it means" but >> >what you're really saying here is that all people on this planet must >> >comply with our "code of conduct" at all times in all places or risk >> being >> >removed from our community - right after, mind you ironically, claiming >> to >> >support an encourage the participation of all individuals. >> >> Being removed from the community would be the last, not the first, course >> of action. >> >> >So what is this >> >code of conduct that we're imposing on all of humanity for the salvation >> of >> >the world? >> >> You've had your points answered twice already, politely both times. 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