For what it's worth, I agree. I think we should consider using GitHub issues. I don't think there's anything in Trac, from a user perspective, that we couldn't really do with Issues. The main issue, I think, would be allowing non-committers (organisational members) to triage tickets and change the ticket status.
But I don't have the time to plan or champion a change like that through these days, so while I'd like to see it happen, I'm not the person to push for it to happen. Jamesie: please see "Why not Gitlab?" [0]. While it might be better from a technical standpoint, it would not be better than GH Issues from an onboarding perspective. [0]https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0581/#why-not-gitlab On Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:20:21 UTC+11, Tom Forbes wrote: > > > The only reason Github issues would be a consideration is if the group > thought the onboarding experience (being where users already are with a > tool they're already familiar with) would have more value than sticking > with with the status quo which is strictly better from a feature > perspective than GH Issues > > I really think it's worth considering - I'm not convinced Trac is strictly > better from a feature perspective. Things like the dashboards are > interesting, sure, but what does it do that Github issues don't? And by > this I don't mean features that exist but we don't use, I mean our general > ticket workflow that 99% of contributors are exposed to. There are far > larger projects than Django currently using Github issues successfully and > they have a far more complex workflow including CLA's, high-granularity > tags, automatic reviewer selection, automatic closing, etc etc. > > The cost of a migration would not be cheap, but is it worth doing a formal > evaluation and consider it? The "why Github section" ( > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0581/#why-github) in that PEP lists > some good reasons that apply to us as well. The key one for me is lowering > the barrier to entry which I think we should be aiming towards. If we are > looking to expand the development group and get more people onboard we may > need to shake things up, as the status quo is problematic in that area. > > On 11 December 2018 at 12:04:32, Josh Smeaton (josh.s...@gmail.com > <javascript:>) wrote: > > I don't think something like Jira would even be a consideration. > > The only reason Github issues would be a consideration is if the group > thought the onboarding experience (being where users already are with a > tool they're already familiar with) would have more value than sticking > with with the status quo which is strictly better from a feature > perspective than GH Issues. Incrementally improving Trac can improve the > value prop for not changing, but I don't think anyone that actually uses > Trac would say it's worse from a feature perspective. Even if that value > judgement did land on GH issues side, there would still be a large > operational undertaking to make that transition. > > Again, the PEP for doing this for CPython would be very similar for > Django, so please refer to https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0581/ for > some examples of why and what operational concerns there can be (migration, > permissions, etc). > > On Tuesday, 11 December 2018 07:26:58 UTC+11, Ira Abbott wrote: >> >> Apologies for the double post - my last one was not clear. "just that" >> means that the payment is intended to indicate that it is worth a JIRA >> license to me to not use JIRA. >> >> This group does great things. I am sure that the group can come up with >> some interesting ways to scale that will ultimately benefit the framework >> as a whole. >> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-5, Ira Abbott wrote: >>> >>> FWIW: Please consider my contribution of $84 (one bulk JIRA license for >>> one year) to be just that. >>> >>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-5, Zachary Garwood wrote: >>>> >>>> I'd pay money to NOT use Jira. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 11:09 AM Dan Davis <dans...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tom, you are right about the UX issues, but full-text and inverted >>>>> indexing would help with the responsiveness as well. Technically, I was >>>>> talking about djangoproject's TracSearch >>>>> <https://code.djangoproject.com/search>. That's closer to good UX as >>>>> well, because you can get there by progressive enhancement rather than >>>>> taking stuff away. >>>>> >>>>> You are also right that switching to another system such as github >>>>> issues could be a better fix than customizing Trac. But I find it >>>>> difficult to believe that Github issues grows up to cover as much >>>>> workflow >>>>> management as Trac issues or JIRA. 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