Well, I was wrong... how *should* this work?  I tried a signal handler
to reload modules whenever someone added or deleted a model, but that
only seems to matter if a particular module that loads "models" hasn't
been loaded yet.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Jeff Heard
<jefferson.r.he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks.  I don't think that *in principle* creating new models on the
> fly is a bad thing, although maybe some will argue with me.  There's
> another Django app that allows you to do this within the admin
> interface, and I've considered using it.  I dislike the idea of having
> to make assumptions about the backend that will be running, though,
> and assuming that my users will be using mod_wsgi, FastCGI, or
> gunicorn is anaethema to the idea of making a portable app.  I *think*
> I have it figured, out, although my implementation still feels
> "hackish" to me.  I suppose another couple of iterations on it may
> make sense.
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Tom Evans <tevans...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Heard <jefferson.r.he...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Question 1: Would this work with views, or for that matter, anything
>>> else in Django, assuming you're using a WSGI server like gunicorn?
>>> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/578078/  Specifically, will it
>>> cache across HTTP requests, or not?
>>>
>>
>> Probably, but that is the worst place to cache in a web framework, as
>> it is a cache per process. That is 'ok' if you use a single process,
>> multi thread serving model on a single server, but useless/wasteful if
>> you run a multi-process serving model or serve from multiple servers.
>>
>> It is much better to use caches at a higher level, eg memcached, which
>> is distributed and can be shared easily amongst any model.
>>
>>> I guess the one thing I don't understand well in Django is when
>>> modules are re-loaded.  I know it's different in a "full-fledged"
>>> setup vs. the test server, but is there a rule one can follow? Is it
>>> different on WSGI vs. FastCGI?
>>>
>>
>> Never automatically. mod_wsgi will reload your app if you touch
>> (change the mtime) the app.wsgi file. mod_fastcgi will reload your app
>> when you restart the process.
>>
>>> And finally, if I delete a module from sys.modules, does that
>>> effectively delete it from the cache or is there something else I need
>>> to do to make sure it's reloaded the next time someone makes a
>>> request?  I would assume that deleting the module from sys.modules
>>> would only delete it from one worker process.  Is there an accepted
>>> way to get a module to reload across all processes?
>>>
>>> What I'm trying to do is allow a user to create models on the fly by
>>> uploading data.  One answer is just to have a post_save signal call
>>> supervisorctl and restart the webservices, but that seems nonportable
>>> and rather broken.  There's got to be a better way.
>>>
>>
>> Eurgh. Now I don't want to help you! These links will help:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/ReloadingSourceCode#Reloading_In_Daemon_Mode
>> http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/ReloadingSourceCode#Restarting_Daemon_Processes
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tom
>>
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