Hi Stephen,

We did try with Redis (instead of memcached) but the memory usage Redis is 2.5x-3x the volume of data, the economics of having entire data in memory then breaks down. Also because of the large degree of variation/random access patterns, there is little benefit in using an LRU cache layer.

Thanks!


On Friday 15 May 2015 10:16 AM, Stephen J. Butler wrote:
If it's just key-value storage, adding a memcached layer sounds like a
good thing to investigate. Do the tuples frequently change?

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Me Sulphur <mesulp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Russ,

Thanks! While there are some pointers that we can pick up from your answer,
let me add some more details.

* It is a large key-value pair table (approaching ~ 1 bn rows) with an MD5
key and JSON  for value. The look ups depend on the business logic but are
necessary. Nevertheless, there are no more than 10-12 queries executed by
combining key look ups using WHERE IN queries and pg is surprisingly good
with IN queries.

* Pre-computation is theoretically possible but the permutations can be very
limiting. Over the top of my head, I think it will be M^n where M and n are
very large (and growing) integers.

* You are right, celery+polling can be done but the API is already deployed
and in use in environments where there is strong resistance to rework a code
base which is stable and changing them (consumers of the API) is beyond
control.


Thanks!


On Friday, 15 May 2015 06:06:57 UTC+5:30, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Me Sulphur <mesu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Stack: Django 1.7 + Postgres 9.3 + Linux (No caching)

Our application has a view which is called/executed very frequently. The
view receives, parses and responds a JSON.

In between request and response, there are about 3-5 inserts and around
1200-5000 look ups depending upon some if..else business logic. At around
2-4 seconds the view is very slow.

However, a lot of the look ups (which are the bottlenecks) can be
parallelized. But I do not know how can I do the same within a
request-response cycle.

If it was a web UI, I could use celery+polling, since it a
machine-machine API call, the parallelisation has to be possible within a
View's life cycle.

If parallelisation is not possible, what alternatives do I have for
scaling and reducing response time.

The short answer is "it depends".

There isn't a single answer - everything will depend on the specifics of
your problem space. All I can offer is some vague suggestions of places you
might be able to look for some extra speed.

  * Do you *really* need to do 1200-5000 lookups? It's faster to do 1 query
returning 10 rows than 10 queries returning 1 row each. Can you optimise the
queries on the database to minimise the number of queries needed? Depending
on circumstances, it may even be faster to do 1 query returning 15 rows, and
then post-process in the view to throw away the 5 rows you don't need.

  * Better still - can you optimize the database structure so that
1200-5000 calls aren't needed? Modern relational databases are *really* good
at query optimisation - if you give it the right query, and the right
database.

  * Can you work your algorithm another way? In a previous job, I worked on
a tool that would look at a database of thousands of news articles received
in a given day, and then, for each of thousands of users, work out which
articles were "interesting" so they could be sent out in a daily alert
email. The obvious algorithm for this is "for user in users:
find_articles(user)" - but, for a variety of reasons, it turned out that
doing "for article in articles: find_users(article)" was almost 2 orders of
magnitude of faster. The less obvious algorithm allowed much greater
caching, and massively cut down the number of queries that were required.
The tradeoff was a lot more memory (memory vs speed is almost always the
tradeoff), and it wasn't only faster if you computed the results for *all*
users at the same time - but this was an daily offline process, so these
were limitations we were willing to accept.

  * To that end - is there anything that can be precomputed? Can you cache
pieces of the response? Is there anything you can put into a memory store,
rather than the database. Databases are great, but if you have a small
amount of frequently re-used, easily keyed data, it may be better to put
that data into a location where it can be obtained quickly, rather than
hitting the database.

  * If you *must* parallelize, and your algorithm is conducive to it,
threads are probably your best option - work out what part of your algorithm
can be parallelized, and put each part in a thread, and merge the results
once all the threads complete. If you're on Python 3, look into the
concurrent.futures module (or the "futures" module if you're on Python 2) to
help make this easier to manage. However, threads aren't magic fairy dust -
my "limited knowledge of your situation" guess is that parallelization won't
help you. If you've got a frequently executed view doing thousands of
database calls, I'm going to guess the database is already a bit of a
bottleneck; adding 10 threads per request is going to increase the database
load and make performance *worse*, not better, and if it's a high traffic
view, at some point, you're going to hit the limit of the number of threads
your server can handle.

  * Lastly, I'd challenge your assertion that this can't be done using a
celery + poll approach because it's a machine API. The fact that it's a
machine consuming the API doesn't matter; it's just a matter of what the
machine consumes. The public API for a "long running data processing
service" should be a 2 call API: (a) submit a processing request, and (b)
check the status of a specific processing request. If a human is consuming
this API, it can be put into a nice single-page app with an AJAX call
checking the status of the request. If it's a machine, you can make exactly
the same calls; you just treat it as a sequential sequence of calls with a
"while not finished: poll(); sleep(5)" loop. Of course, changing the API
style won't make your algorithm run any faster - it will just take the load
off your web server and allow you to offload processing to other servers.

I hope some of this helps.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)
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