> Maybe you should stick to one for now
> and then get follow up on the details if you decide on Django: Python and
> Django vs Java and some enterprise framework.

Yeah, i agree i got it a bit clogged up. What matters most now is to
make the right choice. Scalability and business logic handling are the
two concerns that matter most.


> I use Java for my main project and also looked at Seam and JBPM. My day
> project is limited to Java for a variety of reasons but I've been using
> Django for smaller projects for myself and friends. If I could move work
> over to Python and Django I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Was BPM not a issue in these smaller projects, or did you have a way
of dealing with this? I am much less experienced a developer and want
to avoid using the wrong tool and hammering a screw in. On the other
hand, however much I was impressed with JBPM, I am not 100 % certain
that I need it for workflow.


> I feel like each new
> Java framework attempts to hide complexity but ends up hiding capability and
> introducing new compatibility issues. I've taken a new approach at work by
> striping away as many frameworks as I can and slowly adding only what is
> needed.

Glad you say so, since I was overwhelmed by the application stack,
level of abstraction and sheer size of Seam.


> Also, don't forget Java's compile and deploy cycle compared to Django much
> faster turnaround. This become especially noticeable if you start using Ajax
> techniques.

How do you mean this? I will rely on Ajax techniques, but i tend to
see them as somewhat loosly coupled to the framework. As far as I can
judge, Django agrees and does not provide Ajax integration. You can
choose for this approach in any other framework (right?), and go for
the specific ajax framework / techniques you like best.

I this way ajax will never be a factor in a comparison of high-level
frameworks, or am i wrong on this?



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