I agree strongly with Dave on creating boring and precise terminology/references, and they are used over and over.
Tim Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:40, Dave Crocker <dcroc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 12/8/2020 12:11 PM, Dotzero wrote: >> Note that I asked Two questions. Your answer appears directed to the second >> question. The answer to the first question appears fairly clear to me. >> Administrators of a system can restrict or delete a user account. It really >> is as simple as that. So in that respect the answer is that ultimately an >> individual account users do not supersede the wishes/policy of the domain >> owners representatives. >> >> The second question is a bit more interesting, but ultimately leads one back >> to the first question. As far as being long settled, I would think that NSF >> AUP is an interesting precedent. >> >> Michael Hammer >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:42 PM Dave Crocker <dcroc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 12/8/2020 10:50 AM, Dotzero wrote: >>> > And here we get to some of the crucial unresolved questions involving >>> > email: "Does the wishes of a user of an account at a domain supercede >>> > the policies of the domain owner/administrator of a domain?" > > Sorry, I misread the text I responded to. To some extent, we all tend to be > ambiguous in our references -- though the specific text I misread was not -- > and it will help if we are all a lot more consistently precise. > > > > For example: > > Author: creates content > > Author Domain: controls the use of the domain, per the statement I misread. > And yes, the domain owner has ultimate authority over polices of how the > domain is used, by those subject to administration by the domain owner. > Obviously the domain owner has no 'authority' over those using the domain > without authorization. For this latter set of folk, the most the domain > owner can do is provide information to receivers of unauthorized use. > > Receivers: They have full and complete authority over their operations. > Period, full stop. There is no 'overriding' the so-called policies of anyone > with whom they do not have a pre-existing relationship. > > Recipients: They are, of course, subject to the policies of the owner of the > platform being used. They, to, are not subject to the desires of authors or > author domain owners, except as the recipient themselves desire. > > > > Really, it will help to be boringly, redundantly precise with every > reference, to leave no room for misunderstanding which actor is being > referenced. > > d/ > > -- > Dave Crocker > dcroc...@gmail.com > 408.329.0791 > > Volunteer, Silicon Valley Chapter > American Red Cross > dave.crock...@redcross.org > _______________________________________________ > dmarc mailing list > dmarc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
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