Unsophisticated administration will be mediated when/if software developers make the necessary features available out-of-the-box.
At least one reason that we have undesirable DMARC dispostioning is software that implements reject-on-fail without a test mode and without a usable override process. Doug On Sun, Jul 9, 2023, 2:17 PM John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote: > It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy <superu...@gmail.com> said: > >1) Are list operators and developers tolerating this situation, > >temporarily, because they think this crew is going to come up with a less > >disruptive permanent solution to which they expect to migrate one day? > > > >2) If not, have they resigned themselves to such things as From rewriting > >as the way of the future? > > In my experience, most list operators don't know much about mail, and > twiddle list settings based on guesses and advice from other list > owners to try and minimize complaints. > > I am on a list where they put the list's name and only the list's name > in the From header. You literally cannot tell who sent a message if > the authors don't put their name in the body. When I suggested to the > list owners that they fix it, they basically shrugged, isn't that how > lists work? > > On a list that I host for a folk dancing group, I have had this dialog > at least five times: > > Owner: X and Y complained that they were unsubscribed, some evil person > must be hacking the list! > > Me: No, when they report a list message as spam, their mail provider > sends an unsubscribe message. > > Owner: They say they didn't do that. > > Me: Well, someone at their provider sent unsubs from their addresses. > The logs don't lie. > > Owner: Oh. > > >3) If so, how big (or small) is the set of DMARC accommodations on which > >they seem to be converging? > > The sophisticated ones do reversible address rewrites like we do, but > that requires having access to the underlying MTA to reverse the > rewrites. Everyone else munges the From header. If you're lucky > they'll put the author's name in the From comment and the address in > the Reply-To, but as often as not, they don't, probably because they > don't understand why it matters. > > _______________________________________________ > dmarc mailing list > dmarc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc >
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