Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > From a not quite novice: > > I started with Slackware in 1993, have used Linux more or less > exclusively (for my private work) since then. In the beginning with > FVWM2, later with IceWM, now with XFCE4, which increased productivity a > lot for me. > > I will not use a desktop without what you call a Desktop Environment - > and XFCE4 is the only one that I've tried.
So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. I'm betting that you don't actually have a specific desire and need (also) for xfdashboard, Xftasklets, Xfce4 Screenshooter, Xfce4 Dictionary, Xfburn, Ristretto, XFCE Terminal, Parole media player, Midori Web browser, Eatmonkey download manager, notification-daemon-xfce, the Xfce4 Volstatus system tray notification icon, Xfce4 Power Manager, Gigolo GIO/GVfs front-end, a couple of dozen Xfce4 panel plugins, and around a dozen Thunar plugins, You might not even be totally in love with the Xfce4 panel, _or_ even (gasp!) prefer a different panel not normally bundled as part of the XFCE4 metapackage. _Or_ you might prefer, as many XFCE4 users do, the window manager named 'awesome' rather than xfwm4. And if you started out with less than the entire marching band of those things (which with artwork and bindings are the ensemble known as 'XFCE4') and at any point you decided you wanted any of them or all of them, you can trivially add those with a single apt-get command. So, why do you need to start with the whole marching band? And, moreover, install a 'task' metapackage whose presence requires installation, at all times, of all of the constituent packages thereafter. 'A la carte' is not a swear word, you know. But somehow, most of an entire generation of Linux newcomers have been conned into thinking it is. My point is merely that I think this tunnel-vision is unfortunate. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng