On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:55:30 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those > _are_ 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. That wouldn't be true of me. Back when I was an Xfce user, I defined Xfce as: * Able to use multiple panels * Able to config the panels via right click * Kinda twitchy during config on Linux, but rock solid on OpenBSD > > I'm betting that you don't actually have a specific desire and need [snip] > (also) for XFCE Terminal, You got that wrong. I *always* install both XFCE Terminal and LXDE Terminal. > Parole media player, I use that from time to time, during the frequent events when my erstwhile favorite media player starts acting stupid. > Midori Web browser, Everybody uses Midori when the usual suspects fail, or when they want a little lighter browser. > Eatmonkey download manager, > notification-daemon-xfce, the Xfce4 Volstatus system tray notification > icon, Xfce4 Power Manager, How would anyone separate those from Xfce? I expect my Xfce (which I never use anymore) to have a tray full of excellent tools including a battery meter. [snip] > _Or_ you might prefer, as many XFCE4 users do, the window manager > named 'awesome' rather than xfwm4. About 1/2 of 1% of my friends use Awesome on a regular basis. It's a committment few are willing to make. > And if you started out with less than the entire marching band of > those things (which with artwork and bindings are the ensemble known > as 'XFCE4') and at any point you decided you wanted any of them or > all of them, you can trivially add those with a single apt-get > command. The preceding is what I've been trying to tell people for years. > > So, why do you need to start with the whole marching band? And, > moreover, install a 'task' metapackage whose presence requires > installation, at all times, of all of the constituent packages > thereafter. > > 'A la carte' is not a swear word, you know. But somehow, most of an > entire generation of Linux newcomers have been conned into thinking it > is. My point is merely that I think this tunnel-vision is > unfortunate. I agree with you, but mostly thanks to the systemd debacle I'm an experienced user and a committed DIY guy. I remember when I started in Linux, I *never* could have remembered which packages put a battery in your panel, or which panel worked with which GOSFUIs, so in my early years I saw Gnome2 and later Xfce as a single-install way to give me a user interface I liked. It's just too bad people turned those package-deal GOSFUIs into a religion. SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
