On 11/01/2018 10:20 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 01/11/18 at 13:19, m712 wrote: >> Your best bet is a killfile since he's guaranteed to bomb our inboxes after >> your message.
(not asking for a reply) What makes you think that? I am entitled to share my opinions no matter how unpopular they are. Why can the other side constantly repeat what they have to say but I can't? Is one person vs the entire tech media and millions in VC capital really so terrible that I must be silenced? > > > Never mind, I'll stick to my statement and will ignore him. > > However, I'm happy to read today there is more activity in the > open-hardware front: > > > https://blog.system76.com/post/179592732883/system76-on-us-manufacturing-and-open-hardware > > > "So, what makes Thelio open hardware? Nothing unfortunately - that term has been diluted quite a bit recently. RISC-V is the only real open hardware out there where the files you are provided really could make every bit of your computer not just an overpriced case. > The Thelio design we’ve worked on > for three years is open source. That means anyone can study, modify, > distribute, make, and sell the design. You can send the design files to > a metal shop to make your own Thelio. * with entirely proprietary components * Metal shops don't make computers! > You can adapt the design for your > needs. Open source hardware is the physical version of open source > software. We believe it’s important to apply the same passion we have > about software freedom to the hardware itself. The open hardware > community is young and small compared to open source software. We hope > adding Thelio and Thelio Io to the ranks of open hardware will encourage > others to join the movement and make their designs free as well. We’re > very excited to see what people will do with free hardware designs. This > is relatively new territory." It isn't - other companies have been doing this for decades just without millions in VC capital and slick madison avenue marketing teams who have connections in the tech media. > > I am yet to see what they've done so far, but it seems they are close > to start production. > > Forget it, it was straight on their home page: > > https://system76.com/desktops > > The Open Hardware Computer Is Coming <https://thel.io> Only Risc-V stuff can be considered open hardware - what sys76 is doing is simply a motherboard design for a collection of proprietary computer components. They can't legally call that computer "made in usa" since a case isn't a computer - the board and chips are and not one of them is made here thus all they are doing is selling american made computer cases not american made computers. Having a computer legally made in usa is difficult as the standards are strict (as they should be) The legal standard is "all or virtually all" components of a finished product - therefore *everyone* currently claiming it is being dishonest either a little bit (eg: raptorcs with the us made power cpus and us assembled motherboards but with foreign everything else) or entirely (eg: system76 and a litany of industrial OEM's doing simple screwdriver assemblies and calling their hardware us made to get a shady edge in government contracts) > Eventually, all that will be left are proprietary hardware > initialization bits and convincing Intel and AMD to open up there If google can't convince intel to do that then no one can and I guarantee companies like this will still be saying the same thing in 10 years "just a little longer" rather than dropping x86 as they should. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng