On 07/09/19 07:30, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 11:27:03PM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: >> Dear Dev1ers, >> >> Many of you have asked how you can help Devuan. Well, here's an opportunity >> - especially for those who keep asking when Beowulf will be released! > > I have just had a go in a couple of scenarios using a VM. > > The basic process is: > > 1) Install sysvinit-core (if you don't have it already), remove > libnss-systemd > and reboot. > 2) Manually download and install devuan-keyring (wget, dpkg -i). > 3) change apt sources from buster to beowulf. > 4) apt update. > 4) apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. > > The process is not too bad, particularly if you have a very basic > install. However, the main issue is step 1) if you have anything desktoppy > installed (lightdm, xfce....). Debian's libpam-systemd unhelpfully depends on > systemd-sysv which in turn conflicts with sysvinit-core. So, by installing > sysvinit-core the whole chain systemd-sysv -> libpam-systemd -> policykit -> > desktop gets more or less removed. Of course it could all be reinstalled > later, > but that is understandably probably too much for most users.
But it should use libpam-elogind. Perhaps we need to ban libpam-systemd to force the use of libpam-elogind instead. The only thing is we need to check if their is a dep version check on libpam-systemd in which case we'd also need to set the version for the "Provides: libpam-systemd" also. > > I have already submitted #935304 which is being ignored and may well not be > fixed in bullseye. Sigh! > > In the report I point out that libpam-systemd depending on systemd-sysv > doesn't mean > systemd will always be PID 1, which is (I think) the intention of it. > Lets see if their is a response. If there is nothing in a week I may prod the DPL again. He was very impressed with your professionalism in the case of justifying the elogind bug. > So, I am working on a transitional package that could help in devuan to smooth > this out and not require the whole GUI to be removed and reinstalled. The > basic > idea is that the transitional package Provides systemd-sysv and Depends > sysvinit-core. Installing it temporarily will satisfy libpam-systemd whilst > the > system is rebooted without having to uninstall half of the system. > I don't think a transitional package is required. Thanks for testing this, Daniel. -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722
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