On 7/18/15 12:16 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On 07/17/2015 01:35 AM, David Conrad wrote: >> To be honest, I doubt this. It assumes folks who are developing >> these non-DNS protocols know/care about what the IETF thinks. > I suspect that more do than you think. However, what they think > about the IETF is that we have a very heavyweight process, and it's > hard to get anything done here in a timely fashion.
Innovation is not something we should have any interest in gating. Not only is that futile, but it's also wildly presumptive of our role in the process. We can however work to make it eaiser, both to bring work to the IETF and so support it to responsible stewardship. >>>> If we want to avoid future instances of squatting, it behooves >>>> us to >>> avoid applying too much process friction onto documents of this >>> type. Granted, it's hard to tell how much is too much, but this >>> particular discussion was kicked off in November of 2013, and >>> here it is July of 2015, and we are still talking about it. >>> That's a pretty heavy process. >> I agree on the need for less friction, hence my interest in trying >> to find objective criteria. Lack of objective criteria pretty much >> guarantees the same sort of discussion and 'heavy process' you're >> complaining about. > With all due respect, this is a classic mistake that geeks make: > thinking that there can be some objective criterion or set of > criteria that would make decisions simple. The reality is that to > make criteria of this sort objective would require a solution to the > halting problem. At which point the cold minds that sleep in the > space between the stars would awaken. So really, for the sake of > humanity, I think it would be best to avoid going down this path. > Er, that is, if resolving this discussion depends on finding some > such objective criteria, we are never going to resolve it. > > It's pretty clear that .onion in particular does satisfy the > non-objective criteria we currently have. > > _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop >
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