For me “necessary” is an important distinction and “might be useful” is too 
broad or ambiguous.  I have a hard time reconciling the idea that glue is not 
optional with the idea that it might be useful.

DW


> On Dec 15, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Ben Schwartz 
> <bemasc=40google....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I like this definition.  However, I think it would be clearer to say "useful" 
> instead of "necessary".
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:18 PM Wessels, Duane 
> <dwessels=40verisign....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> Despite what the subject line says, I’d like to follow up on the discussion 
> about glue from today’s interim meeting.
> 
> First, I think the definition of glue given in RFC 2181 is problematic in a 
> number of ways.  It is overly broad (e.g., "any record ... that is not 
> properly part of that zone” and "any other stray data that might appear”).  
> It essentially says that all non-authoritative data is glue, including NS, 
> which is wrong IMO.
> 
> If we can ignore what 2181 says, then the question is whether or not glue is 
> limited only to addresses.  Historically it has only meant addresses, since 
> those address RRs were required for zones with in-domain name servers.  There 
> are some new proposals in DPRIVE to publish more record types in parent zones 
> and have them considered as glue.  This has obvious implications server 
> behavior given the glue-is-not-optional draft.
> 
> On one hand I think it would be a lot simpler to just say that only address 
> records can be glue.  But I’m not sure that is defendable given the 
> directions things are going.  Here’s a definition of glue that I came up with:
> 
> Glue is non-authoritative data in a zone that is transmitted in the 
> additional section of a referral response on the basis that the data might be 
> necessary for resolution to proceed at the referred name servers.
> 
> I also feel like we might be heading in a direction where there would need to 
> be a registry or some standardization of which RR types can be treated as 
> glue.
> 
> DW
> 
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