Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:

:: * The mod_perl box in the upper left corner is a way too big :) I think
:: Thomas' transparent mod_perl box is neat. Should be there, but not to
:: try to be too outstanding. There is not much added value to it once you
:: know you are on the mod_perl site and it distructs from the rest of the
:: content.

I agree that the box is too big, but I think it's naive to suggest that
there is "not much added value to it once you
know you are on the mod_perl site" - if this were a commercial site, then
I'd talk about branding and so on.  In this case, it's all about identity
and reinforcement.  I'd wager that it's one of the mst important elements of
the site but, of course, it depends on your point of view.


you are right, The only argument left is that it's too big :)

:: which also means that the original Thomas' design problem wasn't solved
:: yet. If the page has a little or no content the content box will shrink
:: and look bad when you browse pages. And it'll move the left part of the
:: page closer to the center. Somehow we must make it fixed, so when you
:: flip between pages, the main parts of the page don't move.

This isn't a problem. Use HTML's <Table>, use a fixed with for the column,


but how do you know which is the right width? Think of different browsers/platforms/screen sizes/


and set the main tables width to 100% (so that it will grab all available
space).  To prevent the table from "collapsing" when there is minimal
content, pad the table out with a series of non-breaking spaces (HTML -
&nbsp;).  Do NOT use the "invisible pixel" trick to pad the width out, else
you will end up with a display that's not totally scalable for different
window sizes and/or screen resolutions.  See the source of any page on the
WYPUG website (http://wypug.pm.org/) for an example.


The problem is the site is autogenerated, you cannot and shouldn't do manual adjustments like padding with nbsp. The aim is to be able to drop in any document in "any" format and it'll automagically fit into the site.


:: I think that this problem can be fixed by making the 'where I'm in the
:: site' widget bar of a fixed size? Or is it a bad idea?

Bad idea - what happens at different resolutions?  Horizontal scroll bars at
low res and masses of whitespace at high res.

Well, too bad stylesheets/html don't have a concept of something like width="at least 30%" or something like that, so you could let the pages to autogrow (and add the horizontal scroll bar) when there is a very wide content but keep the minimum width for empty or narrow content pages.



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