Hi!

Just some comments on the stuff posted so far

Stas:
> * The menu is not fixed and may grow, so it's probably the best to keep
> it as a single column on the left (but trying to keep it as narrow as
> possible). Also in order to avoid unnecessary scrolling on short pages,
> it's probably the best to keep the head of the page as short as possible.
I'd also prefer the navbar on the lefthand side.

> * The [prev - up - next] widget is neat but should be centered and
> appear on the top as well. Before the table of contents I guess.
I agree with that.

Jonathan:
> This isn't a problem.  Use HTML's <Table>, use a fixed with for the column,
> and set the main tables width to 100%
I don't like the idea of using HTML tables to structure a site. Tables are
good to present tabular data, but (IMO) shouldn't be used for page layout.

I know that a lot of sites are doing this, but this isn't a reason to do
it, too (cf Microsoft).

>:: I think that this problem can be fixed by making the 'where I'm in the
>:: site' widget bar of a fixed size? Or is it a bad idea?
> Bad idea - what happens at different resolutions?  Horizontal scroll bars
> at low res and masses of whitespace at high res.
I would suggest a fixed width, either in pixels or in percent, or a
mixture.

In my initial submission I used fixed widths for the left navbar, and a
percentual value for the content box. The only problem was when text
inside a <pre> tag was bigger then the browser window (but I think that
would happen too if you use tables)


> All but very basic CSS is still a
> non-starter if you want to guarantee cross-browser capability.
I don't (want to) work to gurantee cross-browser capability, but standards
complienance. If the browsers are not standard compatible, it's the
browser manufactureres problem, not mine. You only have to inform the
users politly that, if they are seeing crap, it's their browsers fault.

BTW, one of the big advantages of CSS is that you can switch them off, and
that sites using CSS are usable with non-graphic browser (lynx, etc)

Some new comments:
I think that the background color of the breadcrumb trail (never knew it
was called that, BTW) and the Table of Contents can be done better using
CSS.

Allan, do you think you could do a "proper" release of your new design, so
we can work on that?

What about putting the site distribution in CVS somewhere? I have got a
CVS running here, I think I could put it there, but maybe Stas wants the
src part more accessible to him? Should we split the distro into src and
tmpl ?

I don't know if I find some time to make a new design suggestion in the
next few days (Christmas is coming ...), but I think I'll do something
before New Year.



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