On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 11:39 PM, Bill Moseley wrote:
At 11:27 AM 05/03/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:Allan has prepared a new revision for you to review: http://perl.apache.org/preview/allan/dst_html
Thanks Allan!
NS4.0 still crashes. Not sure what was ever decided about that.
NS4.0 also has large very large fonts (the main sidebar perl.apache.org nav
menu overflows into the content area). Still seems like we should be using
@import or mod_rewrite and use different style sheets for NS4. Two sheets
to maintain, true, but probably easier than trying to get one sheet to work
for all clients.
how can you see the large ns4.0 fonts if ns4.0 crashes? is it only certain pages it creashes on? if so, please note which.
* download widget is now small images that sort of continues out of the headerline.
-1
I feel like that's one more design element to detract from the simplicity,
and not sure what functionality it adds.
well, the fonts alone looked out of place IMO especially cross-systems.
how about using the well-known pdf icon and our old src-icon instead, just an idea?
* headerline leftside is emphasised with the fading/sparkling effect [this looks even more cool on search results i think] * headerline is smaller height-wise * apache feather implemented at leftbox * header floats with menu-top
Comparing:
http://perl.apache.org/preview/allan/dst_html/docs/1.0/guide/getwet.html http://mardy.hank.org:5000/docs/1.0/guide/getwet.html
I think it's just a matter of style. In this group, I think Jonathan and I
have similar design ideas. Not everyone agrees as these are personal
opinions:
The new design removes white space. Some may feel like it's a waste of the
screen to have white space forcing people to scroll. Of course, we have no
idea how big each user's window is.
I think that white space makes the site lighter to look at and thus more comfortable to read, and therefore more functional.
i actually +2 for whitespace, but at the top of the page i prefer compactness ;)
The main menu has been moved down, and the content moved up. So the
"perl.apache.org" is on the same level as the title. Also with the larger
"perl.apache.org" font then it's really on the same strength as the main
title. Design wise, it's not giving hints where the reader's eye should go.
this is only because i changed 14px to 1.1em [we agreed on relative sizes at a point]. so this could be ironed out i figure.
* changed the menu-boxes slightly so their headers look slightly seperated from the box. - this was done only because when you click the first menu-item it looks bad up to the perl.apache.org title.
I never noticed that before. I'm -1 as it doubled the number of elements
on the left side. More noise.
ok, i think it gives "depth" whereas the usual menu-design is plain and flat.
* camel gif - put it slightly more to the right to align with the nav-widget
Hard to notice any difference without side-by-side comparison.
look at the far right side, the back-leg of the camel does it float with the nav-widget?
* frontpage - changed the qoute style as i cannot find a suitable way that fits all browsers (take it as inspiration). i dont think we should use the float trick, we only write 2002 ;)
Too bad italics look so bad. It looks a bit weird as if it's a slightly
different font. Maybe that's the way the smaller font is forced to scale?
it _is_ a different font. im not saying we should use this style but i couldn't find a way that didn't fuck one or another boroeser/system up. so i simplified it.
remember the horizontal scrolling on IE5, does this design scroll on the frontpage?
* search results - changed the <ul>-type indention with <div>-tags to avoid problem in ns4. the divs are also more controlable
I'm not sure what problem you are referring to.
THATS BECAUSE ITS NOT VISIBLE IN THE BUILT DESIGN AT THE MOMENT...
we discussed it before. when you use <li> as a trick to indent form-elemts and at the same time specify list-style:none (or whatever), ns4 show a silly "?" just before the element. the questionmark is there because you have to have some kind of list-style (disc etc.) in ns4 at least.
my suggestions is using seperate divs per line of form-element. this is more controlable (indention-level) and will not show a "?".
But in NS4.0 search form doesn't work as well as before. The input bar is
now the wider than the width of the screen, the fonts are bigger and the
<li> bullet points are showing.
NOT IMPLEMNTED IN THE BUILT DESIGN
In NS4.0 I see no difference in the search results themselves, other than
they now extend past the left edge of the window due to the input field
being huge.
ok i out-commented some styles for the form-input-elements. i wouldn't have thought that they would have a significant impact on ns4 as it normally don't understand those in the first place?
- changed the <dl> so that this it also is non-underlined by default and underlined on hover.
I don't see that change. see above
by the way. if you inside NS4.0 click in "about navigator", is the version number suffixed with a huge "B"? [its a joke]
thanks for the comments ./allan
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