Well, it was worth a shot. Since I don't have the circuit in front of me I
can't make a more educated guess.

Since you caught the lead issue, I'll assume that you also did the diode
test on the replacement parts. I have seen a few cases where the NTE doc's
are wrong about the leads though. When the collector voltage goes to near
zero, is it .2 V or .6 V? The first case is a saturated transistor; the
second is a diode junction, which would suggest the pinout info is wrong.

When I get back from some errands, I'll look in my NTE book to see if I can
find any other clues.

Happy hunting!

Tom Holmes, N8ZM
Tipp City, OH
EM79


> -----Original Message-----
> From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net
[mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net]
> On Behalf Of Curt Nixon
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:43 AM
> To: drakelist@zerobeat.net
> Subject: Re: [Drakelist] R4A-B Detector Amp Q5
> 
> Hi Tom:
> 
> Yes...there are the lead arrangement issues but I accounted for them.
> The typical EBC Vs ECB issue.  Easy in this case because they used the
> triangular hole pattern instead of the inline pattern on both the R4A and
B version
> modules.
> 
> Curt
> 
> On 2/26/2013 10:49 AM, Tom Holmes wrote:
> > HI Curt..
> >
> > It almost sounds like there is a different lead arrangement on the
> > 3393. Any well designed circuit of that era would have had to tolerate
> > the typical high variability of Hfe to avoid tedious hand picking of
> > parts, although that may have been done in this case.
> >
> > Tom Holmes, N8ZM
> > Tipp City, OH
> > EM79
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net
> > [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net]
> >> On Behalf Of Curt Nixon
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:40 AM
> >> To: Drake Forum
> >> Subject: [Drakelist] R4A-B Detector Amp Q5
> >>
> >> GM All:
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had trouble getting  a general purpose sub working in
> >> the
> > Q5 AM
> >> detector amp position?
> >>
> >> I tried several close NTE GP subs and also a 3393 which is same
> >> parameters
> > ex
> >> Hfe which is slightly different.
> >>
> >> The transistor comes on but with the grounded emitter, pulls the
> >> collector
> > voltage
> >> to near zero.  As soon as I put in a "real" orignal
> >> 3394 from a R4A, it works as it should--good fidelity and collector
> > voltage at about
> >> 5V from the supply rail of 10V.
> >>
> >> Is this design so sensitive to Hfe as to be marginal or need to be
> >> hand
> > selected?
> >> Certainly the 3393 is well within the spec range of the 3394.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Curt
> >> KU8L
> >>
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