Hi!

Wolfram Gloger wrote:

>>Neither do I. Can e.g. dvdauthor handle subtitles at all?
> 
> Yes, most definitely -- although AFAIK "only" in vobsub format, it
> doesn't do any conversions.

And is VobSub format fully documented somewhere?
I couldn't find anything that answers all questions.

>>Not as far as I know. And we don't want the normal teletext part anyway,
>>because it's not related to the program.
> 
> 
> Certainly some pages are related to the program -- especially the
> subtitle pages (quite common in Germany -- not sure about other
> countries).

But it's all part of the same stream (same PID inside the TS).

>>What makes things worse is that
>>teletext streams come in several varieties, and each of them may include
>>different substreams. In order to find the interesting parts, we have to
>>analyze all the data.
>>
>>And that's still not the whole picture. There are also the so-called DVB
>>subtitles (yet another stream format),
> 
> 
> Totally uncommon in Germany, but support for that is already in
> current ffmpeg (see dvbsubdec.c).

Is it also possible to convert arbitrary formats to DVD subtitles?
I only saw a decoder for DVD format, but no encoder.

>>and subtitles may also be hidden
>>inside one of the other streams, as private/ancillary data. As far as I
>>know, that's usually clear text that has to be rendered by the decoder,
>>while DVB and teletext subtitles come pre-rendered (in incompatible
>>formats, of course).
> 
> 
> Fortunately, there is already a mature, free, not too bloated library
> which computes the rendered text pages: libzvbi.

German stations probably won't need this - if they send subtitles at
all, it will be VBI/teletext subtitles. At least that's what I found in
my collected streams.

>>Of course you also need to consider the required output format for DVD.
>>I haven't found any complete description yet, so anybody implementing
>>subtitles may have to use a trial-and-error approach (and will have a
>>lot of troub^H^H^H^H^Hfun).
> 
> 
> That was/is not really that hard.  vobsub output for DVD is already in
> current ffmpeg, please check out dvdsubenc.c.  I also have the
> conversion ready as an ffmpeg decoder (using libzvbi), so I can
> generate DVD subtitles from teletext pages.  I'll try to see what I
> can come up with for dvbcut.

Well, stream detection is already there, in case you want to give it a try.

-- 
Michael "Tired" Riepe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Tired: Each morning I get up I die a little

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