Perhaps Ed realised that people wading in with hob-nailed boots may have upset the very delicate situation? Remember that he spent several years carefully persuading the NK military and had spent a lot of time building up relationships. Sometimes when someone without the requisite diplomatic skills wades in, those who have been carefully talked into agreement begin to either lose their nerve (after all, they had stuck their necks out in a land where that's not encouraged) or go back into their entrenched "anti" stance and follow the rule book. I would imagine that soldiers in a particularly nasty military dictatorship would react this way!
I don't know if Ed knew YT1AD and friends from Adam before they visited NK. I'm sure that they're good guys - indeed when I've spoken to Hrane he seems like a nice and knowledgeable chap - but maybe Ed didn't want to take any chances. Maybe they did screw things up for him as he had his permission revoked not long after that? On the subject of Yemen, I worked 7O/OH2YY in May 2002 - and that was accepted by ARRL. Does anyone know what OH2YY did differently to the 7O1YGF gang? Perhaps he knew the right people, both in Yemen and Newington? I believe he was there to work, rather than for a Dxpedition, and since the Arab world works on a basis of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" (some people call it other things) maybe that made the difference? Perhaps OH2YY knew the right people at ARRL. A few years ago G3VMW and I were planning a trip to Somalia which never happened - when we approached the ARRL to find out what permission would be needed and from whom, they were most obstructive and unhelpful. Because there was (and still is) no central government in Somalia they just didn't seem interested in exploring other possibilities. Interestingly they now give approval to just about anyone who's got a scrap of paper from anyone who calls themselves an authority in Somalia - exactly what they said they wouldn't do for us. How does that differ from the mess described in this thread? Maybe I should have said I was OH2BH - do you think the answers may have been different? As Ron correctly says "Hey folks, it's just DX" - why are ARRL so anal about all this permission stuff. Weren't 7O1YGF THERE? Wasn't VU4/VU2JPS THERE? Weren't 7O1A THERE? What bloody difference does a scrap of paper from some little power crazed jerk in a peaked cap make? Remember all the rubbish around BS7H? If ARRL want rules, they should obey them in a consistent manner, not pick and choose on the basis of who they know and how they feel that day. If they'd done that, then there wouldn't be this debate. Ah, that's better. Now I've got that off my chest, I'll have a nice Sunday :-) 73 Dave G0OIL -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius Sent: 06 March 2005 00:58 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Cc: Mome Z32ZM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] P5 Am I reading this right? Is it now being asserted that P5/4L4FN went into hiding to avoid contact with YT1AD & YU7AV when they attempted the aborted P5A operation? And that Ed may have had something to do with the lack of DPRK Military permission to operate P5A? What is this, the "X-Files?" Aren't we all letting the conspiracy theories get a little out of hand here? It is extremely unfortunate that the P5A operation was scrubbed. Did YT1AD & YU7AV get the proverbial shaft after being led down the proverbial primrose path by the DPRK officials and such they were in contact with? Yes! No doubt! But what did Ed have to do with that? Hey folks, it's just DX. Let's crank the paranoia down a notch or three, shall we? 73 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mome Z32ZM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NJDXA DXR" <dx-news@njdxa.org> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] P5 > HI OC FRED, > You touch the main point (and mni others on QAP too). > > Just to remaind all DX'ers here: > > YT1AD-Hrane & YU7AV-Vojo been in P5 at the time when P5/4L4FN was > active. But, ED was not active at all, when this two verry good frends > of mine been > in his local, He just deseappear so that AD & AV was not eable to see > him or his "permition" ...."licence" & even the antenna was down , > (some R7 or > R-7000) > AD & AV , HAVE a radio-amateur licence to operate from P5, but not the > military permition to transmit from P5...so, as everybody know this > DXPN finished as "Touristic-one". > > Any way, its verry dificult to think about the things like P5/4L4FN vs > P5A & 7O1YGF vs 7O/OH2YY..... which unfortenetely happend.... > > Stay Tuned on SIX !!! > > 73,GL&DX!!! de: MOME - Z32ZM > http://www.qsl.net/z32zm > > ---------- > From: Fred Souto Maior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL > PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] KH8ZM > Date: Saturday, March 05, 2005 21:35 PM > > No Tom. > P5 - No written permission, legal in the country accepted by DXCC > without any papers. 7O1YGF - As far as I know they presented written > permission they was there invited by local authorities. Not accepted > by DXCC because written permission was "signed by the wrong person" I > don't think a large group of operators > (experiented ops with already several expeditions to a lot of spots around > the world) can enter in > a country like 7O without any authorization and operate for a week. > If they was invited to stop the operation and leave the country, THE SAME > THING HAPPENNED > TO THE P5 OPERATOR !!!!! If P5 was accepted without any papers why 7O1YGF > wasn't accepted too > with or without papers ??? I'm inclined to agree with Mal when he said: > "The ARRL criteria is wholly & solely based on who is/is not asking for the > change.(period)" > Or in other words for the friends the haven; for the others the hell > ... BTW if I'm wrong please show me the point ! > > Fred - PY7ZZ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org > THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. 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