Scarboro Reef meets the criterior because the rocks are above the water level at high tide. The deleted country that has the JD prefix was only above the water level at low tide. It was submerged at high tide. That is one of the rules that governs what is a country, not whether or not you can set up a table on the rock.

Jim N4JA


----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <dx-chat@njdxa.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)



Barry wrote:

For me, it's not a question of danger.  It's a question of
"does it make any sense?"  Here we have a few rocks sticking
out of the ocean and the only way to "inhabit" them is to
build scaffolding.  This is a stupid country.  How is it
different from Okino Torishima (aka Baldwin's folly?)

Agreed ... where it s not possible to even set up a table for
operating without first building a platform to create a level
surface, that entity certainly fails any test of common sense.
I cannot see how this is any different than Okino Torishma,
Sealand - or granting "country" status to oil and gas E&P
platforms.  BS7H should be removed from the DXCC list as
failing to meet any reasonable standard for acceptance - it
should have never been added under any objective rule set.

4u1un & 4u1itu - both for obvious reasons.  Otherwise add
every embassy and American Indian casino.

That's a little different - 4U1UN and 4U1ITU met objective
criteria when accepted.  The criteria ("separate administration")
was later deleted just to prevent turning DXCC into "worked all
embassies and reservations."

Swains - a privately owned island becomes an instant country
due to a rule change (brings up the frequently bantered topic
of a few prominent DXers "making" countries.)

Agreed ... again private islands and sanctuaries where public
access is not permitted have no business being made countries.
The same should be said of Palmyra now that it s privately
held (The Nature Conservancy).

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:48 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] "Stupid" countries" (formerly BS7H thoughts)


For me, it's not a question of danger.  It's a question of
"does it make
any sense?"  Here we have a few rocks sticking out of the
ocean and the
only way to "inhabit" them is to build scaffolding.  This is a stupid
country.  How is it different from Okino Torishima (aka
Baldwin's folly?)

Off the top of my head, there are other stupid countries, created by
stupid rules.  This is not meant to be all inclusive.  I'm sure there
are others:

4u1un & 4u1itu - both for obvious reasons.  Otherwise add
every embassy
and American Indian casino.
Swains - a privately owned island becomes an instant country due to a
rule change (brings up the frequently bantered topic of a few
prominent
DXers "making" countries.)

When the stupid rule is corrected, the stupid countries should not
remain on the list.  To me, it doesn't matter if a country is
removed or
deleted.  The all-time DXCC list is a showing of how old someone is,
nothing more.

73,
Barry, W2UP
P.S.  In case you're wondering, I have them all and didn't need BS7
(except on RTTY.)


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