THEY CALL CONTINUIOUSY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT DEVELOPED THE ART OF HUNT & POUNCE! "THERE IS NO VACCINE AGAINST STUPIDITY!"
"KNOWLEDGE IS KNOWING A TOMATO IS A FRUIT... ...WISDON IS KNOWING NOT TO PUT IT IN A FRUIT SALAD! IF IT IS NOT FUNNY, DON'T SEND IT TO ME! THANK YOU. ALOHA, Lee R. Wical, KH6BZF/ 7J1AAP Yagi Acres 1-(808) 247-0587 45-601 Luluku Road Kaneohe, Hawai'i 96744-1854 In a message dated 2/23/2011 3:03:35 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, wn3...@verizon.net writes: With all due respect Ryan, I’m not convinced. Consider: Why send a CQ? To solicit someone to answer you. That is a perfectly acceptable, and legal, one way transmission… you don’t know who is going to call you, but your intent is that someone answer you back. And just as obviously, sending CQ TEST in a contest is also saying that you are IN the contest and are soliciting contacts FOR the purpose of adding them to your contest log. Right? Someone sending CQ TEST continuously, without pausing to listen? And that’ s the key here, “without pausing to listen.” That’s merely a one way transmission… a broadcast. Announcing who you are, but falsely (at least at the moment in question) soliciting contests. And I say “falsely” because the transmitting station is NOT answering anyone… deliberately. Is this in violation of the rules regarding prohibited transmissions? Technically, maybe not. As a practical matter? Considering the intent of the transmission? Questionable at best. However… I’m not a lawyer, let alone a communications lawyer. However, my lawyer is. He’ll be sharing my table at the club hamfest on Sunday, so I can discuss it with him. Since Mike is an inactive contester, he has more than a little insight into the matter! Legalisms aside… there is the issue of ethics. Is it ethical, even if it is legal, to “hold” a frequency for minutes, or even hours, by continuously transmitting a fake CQ TEST while you go off and do other things? I’m not talking about contest rules, either. I’m talking about good amateur practice. That is, after all, what we contesters are supposed to be doing, as we demonstrate our operating skills, right? IMHO, confiscating a frequency for a lengthy period of time, just to hold it, deprives other operators the chance to use that frequency. Instead of doing something positive to boost your score, at best, you hurt the opportunities of the other operators… both those you are directly competing against in your entry category, and potentially anyone else in the contest as well. I can’t see how that could possibly be considered ethical. It strikes me as anything but. Just because something is legal, within the strict confines of the laws of the land and the rules of the contest, doesn’t make it right. And that’s something too many contesters seem to have forgotten. 73, ron w3wn ____________________________________ From: Ryan Jairam [mailto:rjai...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:17 PM To: wn3...@verizon.net Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers No Ron, it is not a violation of Part 97, specifically 97.113. Perfectly legal and not a violation of any contest rules either. Some Other countries do have limits on transmission length though but even those are akin to blue laws since they were designed for the cw only era. It may violate control op rules if the op steps away. Is it unethical? My opinion is "maybe." but no rules broken, FCC or otherwise. __ Ryan, N2RJ Via iPhone On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <_wn3vaw@verizon.net_ (mailto:wn3...@verizon.net) > wrote: I noticed a few of those during the contest. What I found interesting is that it would be an almost continuous, non-stop CQ for a few minutes (most 4 -5, some as many as 10)... and then all of a sudden, there'd be a pause and then they'd hear and work you. Let's call this what it is: A sneaky, underhanded, and unsportsmanlike method to "hold" a frequency, while the station goes elsewhere to work a few mults... or go to the bathroom, answer the phone, or grab a drink or whatever. Sorry. If you have to leave, leave. You have no guarantee the frequency will be clear, but that is (or should be) the risk you take. And if the frequency is occupied when you return, whatever the reason, tough. First come, first served. Nobody owns a frequency. Someone earlier mentioned to me the sense of "entitlement." You are not "entitled" to a frequency. QRO or QRP, big gun, little pistol, or squirt gun... if the frequency is in use because someone heard it open up when you left, them's the breaks. And I do believe, in the US at least, a near-continuous transmission like this may be in violation of the FCC rules on one way transmissions. Although I'd check on that before saying so with authority. Not that anyone ever listens to me... 73 Feb 23, 2011 04:05:29 PM, _cwdude@gmail.com_ (mailto:cwd...@gmail.com) wrote: Nobody has addressed the opposite side of the coin: Incessant callers calling CQ TEST XXXX without giving a chance for people wanting a qso to break their non-stop calling.. those are also annoying... I also "enjoyed" the 65 WPM callers? Who were they trying to catch? The skimmers? 73 de HK3CW Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: _Duane, WV2B_ () To: () _dx-chat@njdxa.org_ (mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org) Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers Why notstart recording some of them and post the clips on a website? To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. 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