All
IMO, you're looking at the QSL situation the wrong way. First
off saying "Some DXers like to screw the deserving for every penny" is a
rather broad brush comment that is really out of line. Yeah, we all know of
a few (a very small few) who abused the sport for personal gain. So let's
knock off those sorts of comments.
I'll turn the "If dxpeditions cant be funded without having to
rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then they shouldn't go!"
comment around. How much money do you have invested in your station? $5k?
$10k? More? People sure like to brag about their equipment and antennas and
what they've invested, yet they complain about sending $5 to confirm an
operation? Especially when the operators went to personal expense, took
weeks off work/away from family and in some cases were at personal risk. I
don't get it. It's NOT about FUNDING. It's about SHOWING YOUR APPRECIATION
FOR WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID FOR THE HOBBY.
Come on, stop being such cheap-skates when it comes to QSLing
the big DXPeditions!
On to the subject of QSL checking. And I can speak from
experience on the matter as I did manage the prestigious WAZ Award for a
number of years. I hate to say this, but not every QSL checker (even if a
veteran DXer) really understands how to check cards. CQ works through some
national radio societies and sometimes the person they appoint might not be
the best suited for the task. What's the risk you ask? It's NOT with big
operations like ST0R. Those cards are pretty solid. It's the "run of the
mill" DX (as viewed across the country list). How many of you have received
blank QSL cards?
I saw 160 cards that were not "doctored" as such, but they were
fakes. How did I know? I understand propagation! When I got a card from a
station in zone 15, telling me he worked zone 31 at 1300Z on 160 meters, I
called BS and asked the guy to please check to see if the card was filled
out incorrectly as there was no way a QSO on 160 from 15 to zone 31 could
take place at such a time.
So, am I saying QSL checkers don't know what they are doing? NOT
AT ALL. But as an award administrator, you have to balance the integrity of
the program within the APPLICATION OF THE RULES. 160 meters is a pretty
specialized band as is 6 Meters. Why would you want to see someone get an
award for these two challenging bands through fraudulent means? If
maintaining the integrity of the award demands more specialized checking, so
be it.
Do I think it seems rather silly that a DXCC (or WAZ) Field
Checker can't approve a 160 meter QSO as indicated on a card from ST0R when
he can approve QSL for all the other bands? Yeah, I suppose so. Maybe there
is a REASONABLE way to resolve this, but that's another subject entirely.
Look at it from the Award Administrator point of view, we can't open
ourselves up to managing awards based on the exception to the rule. That
leads to inconsistencies and cries of "unfair".
Vy 73
Paul K5RT
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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:27 AM
To: njdxa; d...@dxhf.darc.de
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information
We :-? tenker <http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/28.gif> all
know the reason Lionel. Some Dxers like to screw the
"deserving" for every
penny they can, hence the upsurge in the $5 OQRS etc. If dxpeditions
cant be funded
withou having to rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then
they shouldn't
go ! It will be interesting to see what happens with the logs of T32C
- will they or won't they?
Tom
KL7/GM4FDM
On 15/09/2011 09:57, LPPS Ltd wrote:
>
> Of course Neil - rather than direct your comments to ARRL, who I
> understand do have the question of 160 Cards and Field Checking under
> consideration, would it not be better to have a concerted effort from
> all DXers to encourage, cajole, browbeat or demand that logs are
> uploaded to LoTW instantly - they seems very able to upload to ClubLog
> and various 'online' checking facilities to whet your appetite whilst
> the expeditions are in progress so why on earth do they not do theant
> be funded
> gentlemanly thing and upload to LoTW as well - surely Neil, that's where
> your pressure should be exerted most - ARRL set up LoTW to make it easy
> for all of us to receive qsl confirmations swiftly and economically.
> That works fine - so exert your expertise with words to the expeditions
> themselves - perhaps even indirectly with our Clubs who generously
> sponsor them - this 6 month rule is ludicrous!! Same day please!!
> Lionel
> ZA/G5LP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> Neil G0JHC
> Sent: 15 September 2011 07:10
> To: c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers)
>
>
> When it arrives, It would be great if 679 of us didn't have to send our
> ST0R
> card off to Newington, and could use the UK checkers instead. One day
> you
> guys may be trusted to check them. Surely if it is a printed label I
> couldn't have moved the dot from 18MHz or doctored the card?
>
> Does anyone know the history of the 1.8MHz rule and who I would need to
> contact to begin a challenge of it?
>
> Neil G0JHC (ARRL member)
>
> From: c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> Lauriemar
> Sent: 15 September 2011 06:49
> To: c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll
>
> A deleted country would not be counted on the Current list, so I assume
> this
> refers to the recent ST0R. Can't imagine how else K6ND would be ahead of
> everyone else, unless it's a mistake
> Laurie G3UML
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sergeant <d...@davesergeant.com
> <mailto:dave%40davesergeant.com>
> <mailto:dave%40davesergeant.com> <mailto:dave%40davesergeant.com>
> >
> To: cDXC <c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 6:45
> Subject: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll
>
> Is this for 'Southern Sudan (deleted)' or 'Republic of South Sudan'
> hich ST0R would be?
> 73 Dave G3YMC
> On 14 Sep 2011 at 18:49, Lauriemar wrote:
> > This is all quite strange. The latest edition of the DXCC standings --
> Sept 14th, 2011 -- has one single station on 341 current countries,
> K6ND. Everyone else at the top is still on 340. K6ND seems to have a
> South Sudan credit.
>
> ttp://www.davesergeant.com
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