With all due respect to Roger, who's opinion I do respect. the comments quoted below from N1DG are taken out of context. If the context had been clearer, he might not have asked the question.
Doug's presentation yesterday at the DX Forum, which led off all of the presentations, was on the cost of major DXpeditions. It was an analysis of at least 20-25 such groups over the last few years, data that they voluntarily provided to him, or were required to provide as part of the donation conditions given to them by NCDXF and other DX foundations. If I recall correctly, the time span was about 20 years - and my only quibble with his data is that I don't believe that he adjusted the numbers for inflation. With that in mind, also consider that he explicitly stated that as the treasurer for one of the groups involved, it was HIS observation based on the QSL requests that crossed HIS desk, that the donations & contributions that came with QSL requests dwindled from a few a day to almost nothing, once the major log upload to Logbook of the World happened. And, several of the groups he talked with told him the same thing - nor did it matter if the LotW upload was 3 months, 6 months, or a year after the trip was over. Is this true for every group? Probably not, as there are many unique factors in every DXpedition. One can argue about sample size, and other factors. But, that's not the point. Roger may well ask how does Doug know, but only because the original tweet took one single line, out of context. And that context explained, in detail, how he did so. Finally, Doug also stated that his analysis, and the PowePoint presentation he used, would be made available on the NCDXF web site. I'm sure it's going to take him a few days, between getting home and recovering from Dayton, but it will be there. I'd respectfully suggest that if anyone disagrees with his numbers or analysis, take a look at it FIRST and then discuss it - with Doug. 73, ron w3wn _____ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM To: dx-chat; d...@dxhf.darc.de Cc: dx-qsl Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: > Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last > night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, > > NCDXF (@NCDXF) > 19/05/2012 20:10 > Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: "The minute the LOTW > upload happens, you might as well close the bank account." > > Goes against the general feeling posted here, > > Trevor > EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -----------------------------------------------------------
