On 30 Apr, Gregory Hayes shouted:
->  On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, electron wrote:
->  
->  > 
->  > 
->  > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Gregory Hayes wrote:
->  > 
->  > > I am excited about Eterm as it fixes some of the problems I am having
->  > > with other xterm progs, as well as it being way cool.
->  > 
->  > Out of curiosity, what kinds of problems do you have with other xterm programs?
->  > 
->  
->  The xterm quest.
->  
->  I started my xterm use in the mid 80's on sun3's and they had that
->  funny sunview interface but unlike DOS you could highlight text,
->  click the mouse select copy from a menu then click to select a
->  target and use the menu to paste (this was a sheeltool or commandtool).
->  After being a command line unix/dos guy for so long this was definatly
->  cool.  A bit later I discovered xterm and the select text with left
->  button and paste with the middle.  I think I discovered this when I
->  had a motif because sunview/openview was really annoying in that the
->  right mouse button did the menus and you had no control over what the
->  mouse buttons could do, so was born my first yearning for what is now
->  enlightenment. 
->  
->  OK so after I had motif and xterm I was farily happy (you could at
->  least do some configuration in motif and mwm),
->  then I discovered linux 0.8? and started to use it at home.  After
->  trying to gather the kernel and other stuff myself I finally got a
->  copy of Yggdrasil Linux 0.99 and eventually a copy of Slackware.
->  Slackware had the cool COLOR enabled ls, which I love, so all was well
->  on linux and SGI but not on Solaris, HPUX, AIX (I do a lot of
->  heterogenious network design, integration, and installation).
->  Eventually the UNIX world setteled on CDE which has Dtterm which was
->  almost cool. On any Dtterm click on some text to highlight it, now
->  start vi go into insert mode and press the middle mouse button
->  and you get nothing :(  I think dtterm wipes out the buffer where your
->  highlighted text is because if you use your scroolbar and scrool up
->  to some text that is off screen highlight it and then open vi and
->  paste it works fine.
->  
->  So I went on my quest and tryed to get the latest xterm
->  source from opengroup and compile it an add color to it but the code
->  was so broken I decided to try to find someone who had allready started.
->  I found a few things but rxvt worked on the most plateforms that I
->  use so I am using rxvt-2.20. But there is a problem with it, do an
->  ls -al highlight several lines 10 or so, open vi or pine or emacs
->  now paste via middle mouse button and all hell breaks loose (well
->  you get a bunch of error bells) and you only get part of the text you
->  highlighted.
->  
->  Next I was trying to find a new face for my Unicies because CDE is just
->  to boreing, I happened on enlightenment a while back in the early stages
->  and couldn't get it working on non linux so I bailed.  Then later I 
->  revisited the Gnome and E web pages and saw some screen shots and 
->  there it was, Eterm in full color with background pixmaps (which I have
->  longed for ever since 8bit color came to the computer) and everything.
->  WooHoo I have verified that all of things that were broken in other 
->  xterms are fixed in Eterm :)
->  
->  Thanks to all who have worked to bring E, Gnome and Eterm to us.

and despite us being a bit quiet at times.. we're happy to do it and
are all wtill working on it tryng to improve it :) ... now back to E
0.14... :)

->  Greg
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