I heartily agree. I refraim form this type of thing most of the time, but
when attacked and called an ashole, it is hard to resist. I have found most
of the people I deal with introduced to me frm egold to be great people to
work with. That's why I was surprised by the vritriol in the other guy's
post. I promise to stop this.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Destiny Worldwide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; e-gold Discussion
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Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Re: Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer
you might not noitice
>Both of you.
>
>I do not think this is an appropriate discussion board for a personal bun
>fight.
>
>None of this will enamour customers to your cause.
>
>You don't have to prove yourself right by proving someone else wrong.
>
>I suggest you kiss and make up
>
>Your customers are watching you
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Michael Moore
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Destiny Worldwide" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:37 AM
>Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you
>might not noitice
>
>
>>
>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and
>> we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,
>> deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com
>> ((((((((((((((((((((((((+))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Glencannon Group Ltd. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Destiny Worldwide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; e-gold Discussion
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer
you
>> might not noitice
>>
>>
>> >I generally don't like to talk bad about people, but this fellow is full
>of
>> >shit. I never spoke ill of whoever "Destiny Worldwide" is and I have no
>> >particular problems with their system as I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
>> >Now a little less than a month I asked if people would be interested in
>> >this, and I would put it together. This is waht I have done. I don't
>> >appreciate the tone of this message, but I will let people judge for
>> >themselves. I do not claim that this is ANONYMOUS, and I do not claim
it
>> is
>> >a high security vehicle. If that is what you want and need, contact me
>and
>> >I'll give you some advice. I do not advise the use of ANONYMOUS
accounts
>> as
>> >most of these are run by crooks who either run off with the funds inthe
>>
>>
>> Excuse me, this is issued by the largest bank in thier jurisdiction. If
>> you can start calling people names, then so can I. I think, though, if
>> people will compare your pitiful little website with ours they will see a
>> big difference. We have spent money and time to develop ours, along with
>a
>> functional database, etc. Yours ....
>>
>> >accounts, or get caught because they are breaking the laws in the
>> >jurisdiction in which they operate. But the fact is that this asshole
>has
>> >chosen to promote his product, which may be very fine, by attacking mine
>> >with false and misleading comments. I will address these pissant
>comments
>> >below:
>>
>>
>> I will answer your points below. I have not attacked anything, just
>pointed
>> out the facts. Sorry if this hurts your sales. And since our card is
>> issued by the LARGEST BANK in their jurisdiction, what's the problem?
YOU
>> ARE THE GUY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY A COMPANY CARD THAT BY CONTRACT
>> BELONGS TO YOU!
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:05:41 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but since Glencannon pointed
>> out
>> >> what he thought was a problem with our system, let me pount out a
>couple
>> >> with his.
>> >>
>> >> 1. His website states that he is in Belize, yet he gives an address
>in
>> >> Texas to mail the applications. Obviusly, then, the address in
Belize
>> is
>> >a
>> >> maildrop. What this means is that when you send yoru documents to
>him,
>> >they
>> >> are sotred onshore, where BB can seize them anytime they want. Your
>> >> identity is not safe!
>> >
>> >The mail drop is in Houston, and documents are forwarded to me wherever
I
>> >may be, Belize, the Dominican Republic, or sometimes Houston. But no
>> doubt,
>>
>>
>> Oh, so if there is a problem, don't bother looking for you because you
are
>> on the lam -- er...... on the go all the time. It's is obvious that this
>is
>> a one man show. We, on the other hand, are an established company with
>> offices, employees, etc.......
>>
>> >there is a possibility of interception. I never claimed this was some
>kind
>> >of safe way to do "money launderying." If that is what you need you
>might
>>
>>
>> Who said anything about money laundering? That is a viscius ad homanim
>> argument and a logical fallacy. People can send orders to a place where
>we
>> really are. Anyway, there is no proof that this is a maildrop, just your
>> word. And no one knows if you are really the globetrotter you claim, or
>> just some guy working in his basement in Houston.
>>
>> >want to go elsewhere. What I am providing is a convenient way of giving
>a
>> >service. Take it or leave it.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, real conventient. And THEIR CARD IS IN YOUR COMPANY NAME! How
>> convenient for you!
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 2. Same for the bank. If the bank they are ever using rolls over
and
>> >rats
>> >> you out, then you are screwed. The only way to prevent this is if
the
>> >bnak
>> >> does not know who you are.
>> >>
>> >
>> >This is utter Bullshit, but would go for any bank out there. This bank
>in
>> >particular is a very safe and sound bank in a very safe and sound
>> >jurisdiction. I have been doing business with it and others in this
>> >jurisdiction, and it will no more "rat you out" than the rat who wrote
>this
>> >email.
>> >
>>
>> that's what people thought with Guardian Trust, too, but if the bank
>doens't
>> know who you are, then they CAN'T RAT ON YOU, CAN THEY? Even if the
>> jurisdiction changes it's laws under OECD or FATF preassure. So, you
>have
>> this guy's assurances versus the FACTS!
>>
>> >
>> >> 3. What are his fees for the transfers from egold to the card? He
>does
>> >not
>> >> disclose this, but our fees are clearly stated on our website. If
you
>> >are
>> >> just transferring from egold to the card, then you will look in the
>> >> passthrough category of our fee shcedule, plus add the wire transfer
>> >fee,a
>> >> nd that is it. OUR FEES ARE THE LOWEST I HAVE SEEN FOR THIS ANYWHERE
>> >> OFFSHORE! So, when you figure this in, even though our card costs
>more
>> >up
>> >> front, it is actually cheaper in the end if you use it very much.
>> >
>> >Currently fees are going to be flat rate $20.00 per transaction, minimum
>> >transaction $1,000.00. Of course this is subject to change. The terms
>and
>> >conditions are in the written application, which I did not include in my
>> >short little email.
>> >
>> >
>> We have no written application. And we will tansfer any amount, with no
>> minimuym, as long as you are willing to pay for the wire transfer. Then,
>it
>> is in YOUR OWN BANK ACCOUNT, not one that belongs to an employee of his
>> corporation.
>>
>> >>
>> >> 4. Don't be fooled. You are categorized as an employee of the
>company,
>> >and
>> >> therefore the company OWNS AND CONTROLS THE CARDS! they can do
>ANYTHING
>> >> THEY WANT TO WITH THEM anytime they want and you can't do anything
>about
>> >it
>> >> legally even if they run away with all the money. Our cards belong
to
>> >YOU
>> >> and are issued directly by the bank, and you can send your funds
>> yourself
>> >> direclty to the bank if you desire.
>> >
>> >And this is absolute CRAP. Untrue. This is an independent card
account.
>> >The "Company" will have no access to the money in that account once it
is
>> >deposited. It is only designated as an "Employee" account as that is
the
>> >way most employees are paid in this jurisdiction. Any Payee can be
>> >designated.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Once again, we have his good word, folks. Just trust in whatever he
says,
>> relax and let go........... and let go.......
>>
>> Kisssssssss myyyyyyy gollllllld!
>> >>
>> >> There are probably other things I could think of, but for lack of
time
>I
>> >> will leave it at that. Our card is TOTALLY ANONYMOUS. The bank
>doesn't
>> >> even know who you are, so they can never rat you out even if ordered
>to!
>> >
>> >I am very suspicious of TOTALLY ANONYMOUS cards and accounts as almost
no
>> >jurisdiction happily tolerates them. What you POSSIBLY are getting is
an
>> >account with a flaky institution that may be run out of somebodies
>bedroom.
>>
>>
>> I hardly think that the largest bank in this jurisdiction, a very good
>> jurisdiction, is run out of someone's bedroom, like our friend in
>> Texas........
>>
>>
>> >That is the way most people get caught. The last time I heard of one of
>> >these gigs was a Doctor in San Antonio, Texas who was running an
>"offshore
>> >bank" out of his house. When the feds hit him, he sang like a bird and
>> >"ratted" out several hundred innocent clients. Or maybe you are dealing
>> >with a legitimate bank that has somehow managed to convince the
>> jurisdiction
>> >in which it operates that anonymous is ok. There are ways of "becoming"
>> >anonymous, and that will work better than an "ANONYMOUS" account, unless
>of
>>
>>
>> Why is that? Of course, if you want true anyonimity, you will get a
>second
>> passport, but that costs more than most people are willing to spend. We
>do
>> offer them, but we do not advertise this. It's real interesting how
>logical
>> criticism can bring a torrent of hate, personal accusations, inuendo, and
>> spruious, illogical arguments, isn't it? Maybe he is an IRS agent posing
>as
>> an offshore service provider.... It seems like these pigs aren't very
>> imaginative either, and can't make logical arguments, just attack people.
>I
>> DID NOT ATTACK YOU OR CALL YOU NAMES IN MY PREVIOUS EMAIL. YOUR
>GRATUITOUS
>> INSULTS HAVE BROUGHT THIS UPON YOURSELF!
>>
>> >course you are just a criminal looking to do some quick money
laundering.
>> >But that is another issue.
>> >
>> Oh, so now people who want compelte privacy are money luanderers and
>> criminals? How CONVENIENT for you! There are other banks in htis same
>> jurisdcition that issue anonymous cards, but to my knowledge, this is the
>> only one that works internationally. Isn't it funny how this guy knows
>such
>> details about Texas. Almost seems like he is still there. JUST SEND IN
>> YOUR APPLICATION....... go ahead, let go......
>>
>> It's interesting how he doesn't answer the comments below. I have
>actually
>> relocated out of Nazi Land, and am not pretending to be somewhere I am
>not.
>> I don't think the same can be said of this guy.
>> >>
>> >> Also, we are located OFFSHORE, so we don't have to release your
>records
>> >to
>> >> ANYONE without an order form the local government here, and THEY WILL
>> NOT
>> >DO
>> >> SO WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME IN THIS
>> COUNTRY!
>> >> Since you do NOT reside in Costa Rica, it is therefore almost
>IMPOSSIBLE
>> >for
>> >> you to have committed a crime here. It takes a long time to get
such
>a
>> >> court order in this country anyway, so you are much safer dealing
with
>> us
>> >> than with someone operating out of Texas in the Nazi States of
>America,
>> >> where they can break down their door anytime they want on mere
>> SUSPICION.
>> >>
>> >> Check out our site and see for yourself. Sure, our card is more
>> expesive
>> >up
>> >> front, but the value and savings are realized as you use it!
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >> Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and
>> >> we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,
>> >> deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com
>> >> ((((((((((((((((((((((((+))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>
>>
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