Dear Friends,

The real reasons America is invading Iraq
Kenneth Davidson

Yet another clever guy named Davidson. Where will there be an end to us? <smile>

From: "Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The Lucrative Mint is an issuer: it's the software tool
used by an underwriter to issue digital coins representing
some value.

You mean, the underwriter is a money issuer, and the Lucrative Mint is a tool which permits the money issuer to generate digital coins based on underlying value. Does the Mint provide for any audit function? Or does the underwriter issue as many digital coins as he pleases, regardless of how much underlying value he has laying about?

clients should be able to interpret, store, and exchange
DBIs from multiple independent bearer instrument issuers
(like a wallet that can store and spend e-gold and
e-bullion and e-cows too).

The e-gold system offers gold and silver. It uses the troy ounce as its underlying unit of account, but one can convert to many decimal places of accuracy to get to grams. e-Bullion also offers gold and silver. The GoldMoney system offers only gold. I'm curious about the e-cow system as it relates to your interchange.

Clearly, a gram of gold is equal to a gram of gold.
Similarly, an ounce of gold is equal to an ounce of
gold, if those ounces are both ounces troy.  (The
same is true if both are ounces avoirdupois, but
there is a discrepancy if one is troy and the other
is avoirdupois.)  I'm not confident of the rate of
exchange between gold and cows.

Indeed, one cow is not much like another.  Some are
fat, some thin, some Jersey, some Guernsey, some
Brahmin, some are male and thus bulls and not cows
at all.  A variety of standard units of cattle are
traded on various exchanges, of course, but none
are, to my knowledge, traded in any gold unit of
account.  So, one would have to convert cows to
currency (dollars on the Chicago exchange, for
example) and then currency to gold.  Exogenous
factors would generate significant variation in
the rate of exchange depending on which trade
mart was used and which currency was used.

For reasons of his own, James Turk would perhaps
dispute my idea that a gram of gold is equal to
a gram of gold.  He would, I suspect, assert that
a gram of GoldMoney is a gram of gold, but a gram
of e-gold is some sort of gold credit, or claim
on gold.  In my view, these claims don't add up
to much, but any exchange system may help to
establish a market rate for exchange among the
gold currencies.  I note for the record that
Simon "Sidd" Davis has an automated exchange at
Metal-Escrow which he seems to preferentially
set to convert his GoldMoney to e-gold.  This
rate setting behavior suggests that e-gold may
carry a small premium to GoldMoney.

Software agents can manage your portfolio in real-time,
always in direct possession of your assets, maximizing
your returns to your exact specifications.

If you have such a software agent to demo, please specify the URL. Otherwise, you might wish to change the word "can" into "may." Software agents may maximize returns, but they also may not. I'm not sanguine about having a software agent in direct possession of my assets. Definitely not all of them.

It may even be possible that widespread use of digital
bearer currencies can reverse the adage and make "good
currencies drive bad ones out of circulation."

That's not the adage, and the adage has a name. It is known as Gresham's law. Properly stated, it says:

 Artificially over-valued money will tend to drive
 artificially under-valued money into private
 stockpiles.

Properly understood, it says nothing about free
market money.  Free market money exchanges at market
rates, regardless.  Market rates are set by supply,
demand, influential market makers (those with large
stockpiles to exchange), and emotional factors.

Artificially over-valued money is fiat currency -
money that has value because of legislation.  It
is often paper money, though some pot metal tokens
are also common, and it may be represented by
things like credit cards.   Most commonly, a fiat
money derives market acceptance throughh some type
of coercion.  For example, it might be accepted
for taxes.  Obviously, taxation is theft and thus
compulsory - so coercion is involved.  Other types
of "legal tender" legislation make it a "crime" to
"refuse the coin of the realm."

Artificially under-valued money would be price
fixed silver or gold, for example.  On 24 June
1968, the USA feral gummint stopped redeeming
silver certificates for silver.  Since then, the
price of silver has fluctuated widely, more or
less by market forces.

Beginning about 17 March 1968, various schemes
to fix the price of gold began to be unraveled,
culminating during the Ford Administration (some
say 14 August 1974, others 1976) with an end to
the ban on private ownership of gold by USA
citizens.  Since then, gold prices have also
been fluctuating widely, with market forces
playing a significant role.

This point is critical in the examination of
the possibility for de-nationalizing money.  With
prices of traditional monetary metals gold and
silver free to move with market forces, there is
no longer any artificial under valuing of these
monetary alternatives.  It remains to be seen
whether the artificial over-valued money can
compete.

statistics and auditing service.

To perform actual audits requires more than just software. Without actually auditing the gold or other assets in inventory, an underwriter could mint money using a fractional reserve scheme, hoping never to encounter the need to simultaneously redeem all money in circulation.

I think a fractional reserve system may be an
acceptable form of money for some, though it is
far from my preference.  However, it would also
be fraud if the extent to which the system is
fractional were not known to the participants
using the money.

" How do I unbail the gold?  Is gold involved?")
this is up to the mint operator(s).

You mean the underwriters?


Patrick

I gather you aren't Patrick Verbeek of AnyGoldNow, nor are you Patrick Chkoreff of fexl. Do you have another name?

From: Edwin Woudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
what a smelly

Hmm... what's so smelly about my name? ;)

Nothing, Edwin. You are looking at the line where JP puts his memorable, if somewhat vulgar, password. I think the "what a smelly" reminds him of the word he uses for his password. Something to do with "country matters" if we may quote Shakespeare.

Patrick Verbeek writes:
We now expect prices to go as low as US$ 322

They seem to have done!


before bouncing back up again (probably in a
strong move).

They seem to be doing!


Good work, Patrick.

http://8715605.thegoldcasino.com

Still a good idea!

Patrick of LFCGate:
two grains of salt.

<voice="Homer Simpson">Salt. Yumm!</voice>


First, all the crypto is public information.

<voice="Montgomery Burns">Excellent.</voice>


Lucrative's, is easily available and open source.

Swell beans, indeed.


it has been vetted

Good deal.


the "anonymizing" part of the system is done by the end
user's software, not the mint.

Perfect.


The client software is open source

Thus the kudos.


Yes, please do. I'll have some info sent to you.

Roger, wilco.


Regards,

Jim
 http://cambist.net/


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