Thanks Lars,

I was not aware of this. Your arguments are entirely understandable.

Regards,
Bernhard

Am 25.07.2014 um 18:13 schrieb Lars Vogel:

> Bernhard, reason is easy, nobody gets paid for e4 tools work and a release 
> creates additional work.
> 
> I personally prefer to spend my (non paid time) on e4 and platform code work.
> 
> Tycho and SWTBot follow the same pattern, they are also in incubation AFAIK.
> 
> Best regards, Lars
> 
> Am 25.07.2014 17:12 schrieb "Bernhard Steppan" <bernh...@steppan.net>:
> Hi Olivier,
> 
> Thanks for your remarks. I fully agree.
> 
> It's really hard to convince other developers from the e4 platform with e4 
> tools v0.16 that are still in incubation. I don't have an answer why the e4 
> tools are not part of the Eclipse IDE. My suggestion is to integrate the e4 
> tools seamless into the IDE.
> 
> Best,
> Bernhard
> 
> Am 25.07.2014 um 13:14 schrieb Olivier Prouvost:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am on holidays and cannot test the new release...
> >
> > Some remarks anyway :
> >
> > As tom said, I think the dialogs/windows node is really confusing and 
> > dialogs are not usable as it is today. It would be really interesting to 
> > start a new discussion on this topic as soon as possible to find together 
> > an operational and efficient solution. It should probably not appear as it 
> > is now in the stable version..
> >
> > Another remark concerns the release number .. Are the e4 platform and tools 
> > always considered as incubation projects ? In this case industry will not 
> > adopt it easily.. It is really the moment to have a 1.0 e4 tools version. I 
> > know it is psychological but it is important.
> >
> > For input parts I don ´t remeber the discussion which led to their 
> > deprecation. But AFAIK it would be possible to find them by annotation 
> > analysis (input part is a part having a method @Persist) ? This could be a 
> > new api on partservice to get them ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Olivier
> >
> >
> > Le 25 juil. 2014 à 12:58, Sopot Çela <sopotc...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> >
> >> I did some testing and I think we can 'release' this. We can address Tom's 
> >> concerns along the way. I tested also the live editor and did not notice 
> >> any freezing.
> >>
> >> Sopot
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Tom Schindl 
> >> <tom.schi...@bestsolution.at> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The editor currently allows to add dialogs & wizards who are provisional
> >> APIs, shouldn't the tooling show this to the user?
> >>
> >> Same goes for InputPart which is marked as deprecated - although I voted
> >> against that deprecation - and should be shown like this!
> >>
> >> I also just fixed a minor problem with CompositePart part which now
> >> allows you to set the title, icon, ... .
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On 23.07.14 18:00, Lars Vogel wrote:
> >> > It is not yet solved, but Steven found a workaround. I recently noticed
> >> > that keybinding for cut and paste are also not working. I think we need
> >> > to fix that least the keybinding thing. I plan to look at that next week
> >> > (if no one else fixes it before that).
> >> >
> >> > Best regards, Lars
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2014-07-22 15:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Webster <pwebs...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca
> >> > <mailto:pwebs...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca>>:
> >> >
> >> >     On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@gmail.com
> >> >     <mailto:lars.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >         Hi,
> >> >
> >> >         I gave the e4 tools a quick test and if I open the "Live model
> >> >         editor" the IDE freezes (reacts very slowly). Can someone retest?
> >> >
> >> >         Bug report: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=439511
> >> >         I think we should wait with publishing the tools to the market
> >> >         place until this is fixed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >     What's the status of this?  It's holding up our 0.16 stable 
> >> > checkpoint.
> >> >
> >> >     Later,
> >> >     Paul
> >> >
> >> >     --
> >> >     Paul Webster
> >> >     Hi floor.  Make me a sammich! - GIR
> >> >
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