+1 for me



Olivier Prouvost
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Le 15 sept. 2014 à 22:20, Wim Jongman <wim.jong...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> +1 
> 
> Do Gerrit reviews count as well?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The PMC (John Arthrone did the write up) recommended to move the e4 tools to 
> a separate Git repo in platform.ui (see below).  Basically moving 
> /gitroot/e4/org.eclipse.e4.tools.git to something like 
> /gitroot/platform/eclipse.platform.ui.tools.git, maintaining it as a separate 
> repository. e4 tools committer would not be automatically nominated as 
> committers, but John indicated that in the past in a similar sitution anyone 
> has had a non-trivial number of commits in the past year was immediately 
> nominated. 
> 
> How is the feeling of the e4 tools developer about this? Shall we proceed and 
> suggest this transition? 
> 
> Best regards, Lars
> 
> 
> Extract from: https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-pmc/msg02196.html
> --------------------
> We had a discussion about this in our last PMC call. We talked about the 
> following options: 
> 1) Migrate tools into a new project 
> 2) Migrate tools into PDE 
> 3) Migrate tools into Platform UI 
> 
> Option 1) is always a possibility. There is some added overhead with each new 
> project, such as committer elections and various other bits of Eclipse 
> process. In general if there is an existing project that is a good fit I 
> would recommend that over the work of creating an indefinitely maintaining a 
> new project. 
> 
> Option 2) makes sense on a conceptual level because PDE is the home of all 
> tooling specific to the Eclipse platform runtime. However there is absolutely 
> no connection between these tools and the existing PDE code base, and no 
> overlap between committers. So it "fits the category" but otherwise has no 
> common ground with the contents of that project. Also, once modularity comes 
> to the Java language, we will likely see PDE align more closely with JDT, and 
> the e4 tooling doesn't fit with that. 
> 
> Option 3) is compelling because there is a strong overlap between current 
> committers on both tools and runtime, and of course close relationship 
> between the tooling and runtime code - when one has significant changes the 
> other likely needs to react to it. After some discussion, all members of the 
> PMC are in favor of this option and this is what we recommend. This would be 
> implemented by creating a new Git repository under Platform UI project to 
> host the tools, and then elect all active contributors on the graduating 
> tooling into Platform UI. It would initially be a separate feature that is 
> available in the project repository that is installed separately (like 
> Eclipse Releng Tools, for example). This would immediately accomplish the 
> goal of making it easy for end users to install into Eclipse Mars and beyond. 
> In the future it could be added to EPP packages where that makes sense (such 
> as the RCP development package). 
> 
> So Option 3) is the current PMC recommendation, but if the e4 tools 
> contributors want to take it in a different direction, such as a new project, 
> we are happy to talk about it.
> 
> --------------------------------
> 
> 2014-08-27 20:35 GMT+02:00 Wim Jongman <wim.jong...@gmail.com>:
> I'm also in. Great initiative.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wim
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PMC (in person John Arthrone) suggested a conference call to discussion 
> options. I post the details once they are set.
>  
> 
> 
> 2014-08-27 12:26 GMT+02:00 Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@gmail.com>:
> Sounds like we all happily agree so far. I send an email to the PMC mailing 
> list asking for approval for this change.
> 
> Best regards, Lars
> 
> 
> 2014-08-27 11:35 GMT+02:00 Olivier Prouvost <olivier.prouv...@opcoach.com>:
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> For me it is +10 !  This is a main step for the E4 success.  
> 
> Tell me if I can help. 
> 
> Olivier
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Olivier Prouvost
> Formation et Expertise Eclipse
> Mobile : +33 (0)6 28 07 65 64
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Le 26 août 2014 à 21:42, Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think the main issue people have with the e4 tools is that they cannot 
>> install from directly from the update site of the Eclipse release. I asked 
>> in the cross mailing list how the e4 tools can be part of the Mars update 
>> site.
>> 
>> Wayne explained that we would have to move the e4 tools to a new project. 
>> Here is his explanation how to do it:
>> ----------------------------
>> 
>> To move the code out of the project, you need to do a restructuring review. 
>> Restructuring reviews are relatively simple affairs that require you 
>> describe (as concisely as possible) what needs to to change and why.
>> 
>> To restructure by moving, you need a project to move the code into.
>> 
>> This could be an existing project (e.g. PDT), or one that we create. If a 
>> new project is required, then we need to do a proposal followed by a 
>> creation review. We can combine the creation review with the restructuring 
>> review.
>> 
>> There's more here:
>> 
>> https://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Restructuring_Reviews
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> ------------------
>> 
>> If the active e4 committers and our users agree, I personally think we 
>> should go ahead and create this structuring review. 
>> 
>> How do people think about this?  Should we go ahead with this restructuring 
>> review? 
>> 
>> Best regards, Lars
>> 
>> P.S.  I would be interesting to work on the restructuring review. 
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