Hi Michael,

There are two newsgroups that mirrors tracker discussion and state change of
the request:
jetbrains.intellij.tracker.idea.bugs and
jetbrains.intellij.tracker.idea.features.

You can use them also to replay and your message will be visible in web
interface ( tracker and forums).

I can say that current state of ITN is pretty "newsgroup friendly", only
thing that changed is that newsgroup is splitted to the two parts:
jetbrains.intellij.eap.bugs - general discussion about bugs ( i.e. is this
bug ? )
jetbrains.intellij.tracker.idea.bugs - discussion threaded strictly by bugs
issues
, and of course change is also that a bug must be submitted by tracker.

Please post all your ideas/feedback about ITN to the newsgroup
jetbrains.intellij.itn.

--

Best regards,
Tibor Mlynarik
JetBrains, Inc / IntelliJ Software
http://www.intellij.com
"Develop with pleasure!"





"Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
akmeae$24d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:akmeae$24d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> That's a great point, but ITN is still clumsy to use.  For example
> searching...why does selecting from the first dropdown box have to
initiate
> a submit (read: time delay), only to allow me to enter some criteria?
(It's
> a rhetorical question)
>
>
> I see IntelliJ's point of view.  And I see many of "our" points of view on
> this issue.  IntelliJ obviously wins since they write the rules.  That
said,
> I *rarely* go to ITN unless I have to (ie.  I have a bug to report that I
> feel must be fixed).  I absolutely hate ITN.  MS Outlook Express and
> newsgroups is far easier to use and browse.  I can "stumble" across
> knowledge in the newgroups.  ITN is a submit and wait game I dont have
> patience for.  (yes, the newsgroups are the same in reality, but somehow
> feel and respond faster).  Plus the threading is nice to see where the
> heated issues are.
>
> Lastly....I can set a "watch" on a thread and OE will let me know when a
msg
> was responded to.
>
>
>
> "Thomas Singer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hello Alain,
> >
> > > Although more sophisticated, I see the tracking system as a step
> backward.
> >
> > I completely disagree, because now the bugs (and feature requests)
> > don't get lost between the discussion. They only can get lost, if they
> > don't get fixed.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:28:01 -0100, Alain Ravet
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >      Valentin Kipiatkov wrote:
> > >      > Please use tracker for submitting bugs or feature requests.
> > >
> > > Although more sophisticated, I see the tracking system as a step
> backward.
> > >
> > > I was happy with the +1, -1, and "fixed in build 666. Thank you for
> > > reporting".
> > > It was good enough. I don't see any added benefit in this "complex"
> > > system, especially at the price of a much slower, and much less
> > > convenient access.
> > >
> > > With the newsgroups, and Netscape client, I can see in a glimpse that
> > > there are 30 new bug and 15 new feature messages.
> > >  From their title, I can decide to read them, or to skip them.
> > > It's very fast, and very convenient.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion.
> > >
> > > Alain Ravet
> > >
> > > PS: no need to spend your precious voting points here, +1 or -1 will
> > > suffice.
> > >
> >
>
>


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