I would concur with just about everybody who has responded to 
Teresa's suggestion and especially with what Tj said about valuing 
the positive masculine and feminine qualities regardless of the 
gender of the person manifesting them. I know that's not exactly what 
you said, Tj, but this is the slant that I put on this issue. 
However, I also think I know how Teresa feels about some of the 
discussions that have been going on (and I'm certainly overwhelmed 
by the volume of material!).  We each have our own personal 
interests that have prompted us to join this group and although mine 
are obviously focussed on the spiritual aspects of the issues 
surrounding ecofeminism, I am interested in reading what other people 
think about other things. Like Tj said, this forum is an opportunity 
for us to learn about other systems of belief, to broaden our minds. I 
also believe that things will settle down once we all get more 
familiar with each other and people will drop out as they find the 
discussion less relevant to their personal experience. That's the 
beauty of the internet; it is a fantastic forum for uniting people 
but it still maintains some of the anonymity or privacy that some 
people need.
    Perhaps something that we could delve into at a deeper level is 
the equality issue.  Rather than _just_ focussing on the 
political/social/economic consequences of patriarchy and how many 
sensitive men are suffering from guilt for the collective mistakes of 
their ancestors, perhaps we could discuss positive and constructive 
means by which some of the suffering on all sides could be lessened. 
At least for the next generation or two (or three or four ...), we 
are still going to be dealing with the consequences of centuries of 
oppression not only of men over women but also of the colonizers over 
the colonizees, humanity over nature, the strong over the weak, etc. 
etc.  Tj said something to the effect that as long as one part is 
weak the whole thing is weak (or something like that).  The whole 
human species is like the human body.  If there is a slight injury to 
one part, the rest of the body isn't terribly devastated; the healing 
process is relatively quick and easy (if it started out healthy).  But 
when there is a massive injury or a widespread disease, the whole 
body is debilitated, not just the injured part.  Humanity is at the 
stage where we still have a lot of "cancer" to cure and as long as 
any people anywhere in the world are suffering, all of us are 
suffering.  We are all connected in a very basic way because we are 
all human beings possessing the same inherent spiritual qualities.  
(We just don't all consciously manifest them.) That is our unity. As 
fetuses we are virtually identical. Every baby (with a few 
exceptions) is born with that same purity of essence, that same wide-
eyed wonderment, that same vulnerability to its new environment. It 
is only later that we learn how to see difference and view it as 
dangerous or threatening.  But what if our societies viewed 
difference as an integral aspect of our connectedness? What if 
diversity was viewed as a unifying factor rather than a divisive one? 
If at least one person thinks that way (and I know there are actually 
millions who do), then don't we have the collective capacity to shift 
our thinking as a species? It may (will) take a long time but I 
believe that eventually humanity will be united. Even if I won't see 
it in my lifetime, it is something I feel compelled to strive toward 
for all of our descendants.
    I applaud all the women and men in our group who are open-minded 
to the changes going on within themselves and society as we struggle 
to build a new system to replace the oppressive institutions that are 
crumbling around us (and they _are_ crumbling). We have a new world to 
look forward to, a world in which people are not blinded by prejudice 
but rather are as wide-eyed as a newborn to the wonderment of the 
universe and the joy of living.
    I've spent more time here this morning than I intended. I look 
forward to sharing more with all of you.
    Roxanne

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