Okay, this is a good start. What I would suggest is that the ESA field a letter responding to IJCR by stating in, layman's terms, the critical difference between science and religion and why its important not to get confused and why IJCR is a threat to science and possibly even the democratic process since it threatens our national perception of reality. I would be happy to produce a draft if a few ESA members would be interested in helping me with the draft. I or someone else with a PhD and some clout can basically re-iterate SJ Gould's arguments.
Jim Sparks On 5/5/07, adam herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > not sure how far to take your metaphor about "trouble down lower". but my > point is that religion and science will always argue until there's > realization that they are each different states of consciousness. the > non-validative, salutary truths of religions need not argue with the > sensorimotor, empirical sensory truths of the sciences....but they do in > the > United States, as J. Sparks said "are destined to be antagonistic because > other Western societies do not share the problem we have of using > mythology > to construct a national paradigm." both science & religion seem not to > recognize the futility of trying to meet nonmaterial needs (objective > constancy & spiritual/moral, respectively) by controling material > resources. to the degree that both institutionalized religion & > science employ a politco-navigational compass bent on a dominant > instrumental relationship with Nature, I wouldn't be suprised that they > don't find more to agree about as their hegemony is replaced by an > attitude > of respect and communication. > > Adam Herbert > > "recycling reward consumption" - William McDonough > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: May 4, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: FW: Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality! > To: adam herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I see where you're trying to make trouble down lower? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mammalian Biology [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf > Of > *Jim Sparks > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 2:35 AM > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Subject:* Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality! > > > > > It is not true that science and religion are destined to be > antagonistic because other Western societies do not share the problem we > have of using mythology to construct a national paradigm. We, as > educators, have been far too willing to cop out. Of Western nations, only > Turkey is more backwater than us. With comparable literacy rates, we > should > at least be not far behind the UK. We need to buck up, put up our dukes, > and be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality. > > Sincerely, > Jim Sparks > > Acceptance of Evolution as fact: > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html > > > > > On 5/3/07, adam herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > the ultra-reductionistic out is to accept that religion & science will > > ALWAYS argue because one is based on faith and one is based on > fact...why > > argue? you're using different eyes to see the same thing > > > > On 5/2/07, Jim Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Have you seen this? A peer reviewed journal for young earth > > > creationism! > > > Please tell me that someone out there is preparing some stiff > opposition > > > to > > > this. > > > > > > When this thing gets off the ground it will do a pretty good job of > > > undermining scientific method and credibility. This may be even worse > > > than > > > recent scandals involving pharmaceutical industry funding of > > > product research or petroleum industry scientists contradicting > > > climatologists on global warming. Journals on the whole are losing > > > their > > > credibility because of various financial entanglements in a few key > > > fields. This current attack is not going to help ecology and > > > evolutionary > > > biology one bit. > > > > > > As goes the reputation of journals, so goes the voices of reason. Can > > > anyone think of a way to defend Aristotelian logic or all we all going > > > to > > > just watch placidly as the age of reason slips into the shadowy > > > recesses of a new, albeit perhaps more subtle Dark Ages. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Jim Sparks > > > http://www.icr.edu/ijcr/index.html > > > > > > *International Journal for Creation Research * > > > > > > The Institute for Creation Research is pleased to announce the > inaugural > > > Call for Papers for the International Journal of Creation Research > > > (IJCR). > > > > > > IJCR is a professional peer-reviewed journal of interdisciplinary > > > scientific > > > research that presents evidence for recent creation within a biblical > > > framework. > > > > > > Addressing the need to disseminate the vast field of research > conducted > > > by > > > experts in geology, genetics, astronomy, and other disciplines of > > > science, > > > IJCR provides scientists and students hard data based on cutting-edge > > > research that demonstrates the young earth model, the global Flood, > the > > > non-evolutionary origin of the species, and other evidences that > > > correlate > > > to the biblical accounts. > > > > > > It is our hope that you will be encouraged in your study of creation > > > science > > > issues that remain at the forefront of education and research. > > > > > > Andrew A. Snelling > > > Editor-in-Chief > > > > > > -- > > > James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. > > > Freelance Ecology > > > 4530 E. Seminary Ave. > > > Richmond, VA 23227 > > > 804.426.2479 (cell) > > > > > > > > > > -- > James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. > Freelance Ecology > 4530 E. Seminary Ave. > Richmond, VA 23227 > 804.426.2479 (cell) > > "Quis custodiet ipso custodes?" -Juvenal > > > -- > James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. > Freelance Ecology > 4530 E. Seminary Ave. > Richmond, VA 23227 > 804.426.2479 (cell) > > "Quis custodiet ipso custodes?" -Juvenal > -- James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. Freelance Ecology 4530 E. Seminary Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.426.2479 (cell) "Quis custodiet ipso custodes?" -Juvenal
