I have had similar experiences. More telling, I had a student tell me after taking my intro class where we deal with evolution, that we biologists always SAY there's mountains of evidence that support evolution, but we never actually SHOW it to the students. At first I thought he was just tuning out, but I reviewed my lecture notes and the textbook I was using, and he was right. I, and more sadly, the text only gave brief descriptions of the evidence. So I'm not surprised that people aren't convinced. One the one hand they have religious authority figures bombarding them early and often with (what they regard as) evidence against evolution, and on the other hand they have us blandly asserting, perhaps only in one class they take in college, that the evidence is on our side but offering little in the way of specifics. Since then, I have changed my teaching and spend 4 or 5 weeks just on evidence. I can't prove that it's changed anyone's mind, but I'm collecting data on that question. At least they can't say I didn't show them evidence. Charles
Charles W. Welden Department of Biology Southern Oregon University [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 552-6868 (voice) (541) 552-6415 (fax) >>> Edwin Cruz-Rivera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/5/2007 11:22 AM >>> Hello all, As cynical as this may sound, I tend to agree with the person who said that people will believe whatever they want, regardless of the information available. The problem here is perception, and perception is shaped first by parents and family. In the case of religious folks (a christian majority in this country), perception of, and attitudes towards, the origin of species, earth and universe get reinforced by sermons, religion classes in school (sometimes), and Bible studies during the earlier years of academic formation - long before the first classes that discuss evolution (school and college) come along. I have been following the postings in the list with great interest, particularly because of a recent conversation with two biology students at my institution after class (yes, it is an anecdote). The graduate student claimed that he did not believe in dinosaurs, that, largely, fossils were the outcome of researchers assembling things the wrong way, and that radioactive dating of strata or fossils was just the result of "fuzzy math." He did acknowledge the possibility of large fossil mammals (I believe mainly because it fits his religious perception of how old the Earth actually is - which, of course, is also a mistake because giant ground sloths and mastodons did not occur just 6,000 years ago). The undergraduate (a senior) did believe fossils were real, but he also believed that Noah built an ark and placed all modern species in it, in pairs, and that there is evidence of the famous biblical flood. This reminds me of an old friend who got his Ph.D. in geology around the same time I did. He used to say that he believed species could change through time but not in speciation, and that "there is no way humans could have evolved from monkeys." The point is we are not dealing with the uneducated here or with people who did not have access to the right information. As I pointed out, the former were both biology majors who had already taken general biologies, genetics, ecology, cell biology, zoology, botany and other classes. It would be hard to argue that all their professors skipped evolutionary topics in their classes or did collectively a really poor job of explaining the evidence. One of these students took my marine botany class and always answered my evolutionary questions correctly. I design my essay questions so that they have to put things together from different lectures and fields, rather than going to "page 20 of the notebook" and read a precooked answer. It was disappointing to realize that he was simply using infomation which was never believed. Upon that kind of inertia, there is amazingly little any educator can do. I am not arguing that we should throw our arms in the air and forget to do our job as educators the best we can. On the contrary, I am claiming that most of us do our jobs well, but we are dismally limited by societal structuring around religion. When you are young and cannot explain most phenomena around you, religion offers great comfort because there is no need to fill in any gaps in knowledge ("because god made it that way" is a very useful and cushy thought). This effectively kills critical thinking because faith is vastly treated as all you need. I will be the first one to accept that geography may modulate some of my perception. As a minority, I can testify some places are more accepting and open minded than others. But as a whole, I think it is easier for most people to believe that some god created things, rather than attempt to understand the intricacies of a big bang, mass extinctions, or the evolution of species. So given both, they will chose the former. After all, natural selection (for example)is not as easy to explain as creation in 7 days. I am proposing a new course in evolutionary biology with a colleague in my department and this will be the first time a class like that will be taught at JSU. Just as in larval recruitment, we are simply hoping that out of the hundreds, at least one or two will make it - students who have learned something new, in this case. Maybe the IJCR will provide an excellent research tool by producing articles that can be systematically debunked in class by overwhelming data to the contrary. Hasta luego, Edwin ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Edwin Cruz-Rivera Assist. Prof./Director, Marine Sciences Program Department of Biology Jackson State University JSU Box18540 Jackson, MS 39217 Tel: (601) 979-3461 Fax: (601) 979-5853 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "It is not the same to hear the devil as it is to see him coming your way" (Puerto Rican proverb)