Bill (and all): interestingly, it has been proven that ecosystems with a large 
degree of biodiversity (read: "healthy ecosystems") have more varieties of 
invasives present than those ecosystems that have less biodiversity.  I can dig 
up the studies, if anyone is interested.
   
  There is always the question of what good do invasive species (particularly 
plants) do in an ecosystem?  Yes, here I go again, playing Devil's 
Advocate...but consider for a moment how some of these rampant, 
densely-populated plant colonies effectively fix carbon from the atmosphere, 
alter the soil chemistry and hence the soil zoology and biology (potentially 
for the better?), and some even filter toxic chemicals from the soil.  For 
example, Japanese knotweed (Fallopia japonica, Polygonum cuspidatum) appears to 
thrive in old mines, being quite adept at leaching out copper from the soil.  I 
think that a lot of ecological thought can be turned on its ear by thinking 
outside one's paradigm, looking at the bigger picture.  But Bill is right in 
that so very many people make abolishing invasives their life's work...their 
sole raison d'etre.  Invasive = Evil, no ifs, ands or buts.  That is simply not 
a scientific approach, not is it realistic or pragmatic.  Other scenarios and
 paradigms must be recognized and considered in order for respectful and honest 
discussion can take place.
   
  Working with knotweed in Vermont,
   
  Kelly Stettner, Director
  Black River Action Team
  Springfield, VT
  www.blackriveractionteam.org

  
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:18:47 -0000
From: William Silvert 
Subject: Re: ECOSYSTEM Health Alien invasions persistence decline limits 
control Re: semi-silly question from John Nielsen

I'll pick up on two of Wayne's points. One is that "some aliens that do 
little harm" -- this is true, and some aliens are introduced deliberately. 
Mustangs are alien to N. America, and are widely appreciated. Many 
ornamental plants are deliberately introduced. My mother was a member of the 
Florida Native Plants Society, and felt that they were fighting a losing 
battle against the imports. An interesting downside is that often introduced 
plants in dry areas require lots of water and this creates problems.

As for the comment that healthy ecosystems resist invasion, this depends on 
whether they have had a chance to immunise themselves by past experience. 
Because mammals were unknown in Australia, their introduction was impossible 
to resist. The same is often true when snakes or mosquitos arrive in regions 
where nothing similar has every been present. Often the best defence against 
an invading species is a predator that can control it, but if such predators 
are not already present, it may take a few million years for them to evolve.

Sometimes man has tried to counter one alien invasion by introducing another 
alien species to control it -- which brings into action the Law of 
Unintended Consequences. It's a tricky game to play.

Bill Silvert
       
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