ITs not a problem! We aren't ranked yet....ISI is a fickel beast. They have some really interesting rules. For example, ISI is interested in expanding its influence in the international community. So, and this is a quote directly from ISI, "journals in the US must meet a higher standard than those from other regions to get rated." Thus far, we are exceeding the expectations placed on us by ISI so I would expect an official score in the next year or two. I think we become officially eligible at the end of next year (3 year wait, then two year monitoring for US journals).
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Susan Kephart<skeph...@willamette.edu> wrote: > My apologies Malcolm for being unaware of the extent of HCB and it's > ranking.. that's terrific. > > I do think you make a key point that the "there are not enough people out > there who want [ or I would add are able w. their already busy jobs] to do > the work...." > > David--thanks for your update on the status of TIEE.. that is definitely > encouraging! I think, apart for what still seem to be notable exceptions > like HCB, it is really difficult to run a top quality journal strictly on > volunteer efforts. That it does happen sometimes, makes those cases all the > more impressive. Enough said perhaps as we will not all agree on any > particular circumstance, but I hope that the ESA committee process in August > and this fall identifies a good resolution for this. > > Best to all > > Susan > > On Jul 24, 2009, at 8:51 AM, malcolm McCallum wrote: > >> Excuse me for correcting your perception that legit journals do not >> spring up from >> volunteer efforts, but HCB has been doing this for 4-years. IT is >> just reaching >> the minimum age for inclusion in ISI and the last time I did its >> self-calculated >> citation rating it was over a 1, which if that holds would make it one >> of the top >> two journals in herpetology and ranked higher than Journal of Herpetology >> which >> was recently ranked as among the top 100 most influential journals in >> biology and >> medicine (although I suspect it is actually just below 1 right now) >> So, I respectfully must correct your perception that highly ranked >> journals do not run on volunteer forces. IN fact, we have done this to >> avoid >> the need for page charges or submission fees so that authors from nations >> with >> fewer funds can afford to publish there. >> >> WHy do most journals not use a voluneer force? Because there are not >> enough >> people out there who want to do the work -or- the publishing outlet has >> become >> more of a cash cow than anything else. Lets face it, some of these >> online respected >> journals charge a few hundred dollars per pub, in other words they >> cover the entire >> cost for publishing online with the first paper published. The rest >> is profit and >> personnel costs. Sounds almost like a scam, doesn't it?? >> >> Malcolm McCallum >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Susan Kephart<skeph...@willamette.edu> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Charlene and other Ecologgers..<:) >>> >>> I"m really very sorry to hear of this decision coming at a time when >>> there >>> has been such a movement to integrate teaching and research and to >>> provide >>> credible, peer-reviewed publication venues for exchange of pedagogical >>> advances, teaching practices, and research on what works and doesn't work >>> in >>> the classroom. >>> >>> My hope is that others who have used this resource will speak up, that >>> the >>> responses will be read by the governing board, and that somehow through >>> ESA >>> and its governing board, or endowed contributions to ESA, that some of >>> this >>> valuable resource can be continued without interruption. If you teach >>> any >>> course, and you've not yet looked at TIEE, I suggest checking out the >>> website while you can. It includes some real gems as the Publication >>> Committee apparently has already noted. >>> >>> Finally, I don't think that an all volunteer effort should be expected or >>> is >>> realistic for TIEE--we certainly don't do that for important research >>> journals that are highly rated/cited. ESA has an enviable record of >>> supporting high quality, peer-reviewed papers, and it takes at least a >>> minimum of resources to accomplish that well. I have not submitted >>> papers >>> to TIEE but I've certainly seen it's visibility and presence and I >>> suspect >>> it's been valuable for high school as well as college level educators. >>> This >>> means it's potentially a recruiting tool for future ESA members, as is >>> the >>> SEEDs program as well. >>> >>> Thanks to all those who created this resource and have contributed so >>> much >>> to it.. let's hope we can find a way to support this through ESA. I've >>> been >>> a very long time member and was impressed by this initiative when it >>> began. >>> Moreover, although I joined ESA as a PhD student, and not for >>> pedagogical >>> reasons, I do think TIEE has drawn in many of today's educators and >>> teacher-scholars who would have never joined ESA otherwise and were not >>> much >>> a part of the ESA membership in the early days. >>> >>> Best to all >>> >>> Susan >>> >>> Dr. Susan R. Kephart >>> Dept of BIology >>> Willamette University >>> Salem, OR 97301 >>> 503 370-6481 >>> >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Charlene D'Avanzo wrote: >>> >>>> For 5 years Teaching Issues and Experiments in Ecology (TIEE) has been >>>> supported by several NSF grants to me and Bruce Grant. As many ecology >>>> faculty know, TIEE is a peer reviewed publication of the ESA designed to >>>> help ecologists teach well; it also supports college ecology Scholarship >>>> of >>>> Teaching and Learning (SoTL). Last year the TIEE editors submitted a >>>> request >>>> to the ESA Governing Board for ESA to assume publication of TIEE as a >>>> once-a-year electronic journal. Twice the Governing Board sent this >>>> request >>>> to ESA's Publication Committee, which was very impressed by TIEE's >>>> quality >>>> and depth. Twice this committee strongly recommended that the Board vote >>>> to >>>> move forward with TIEE as an electronic ecology education journal, in >>>> part >>>> because the fairly small cost (about 20% of the Education Coordinator's >>>> salary) would be so well spent. I am very sad to report that in May the >>>> ESA >>>> Governing Board decided not to accept this committee's recommendation to >>>> publish TIEE in the foreseeable future. Therefore, we will no longer be >>>> accepting submissions for TIEE. >>>> >>>> A main reason why TIEE is so exceptional is because it is peer reviewed. >>>> Although the V.P. for Education. Meg Lowman, has no written outcome of >>>> the >>>> meeting, I understand that the Board generally did not view peer review >>>> as >>>> necessary for ecology education resources like TIEE. Many people, >>>> including >>>> grad students, have been able to use TIEE as a SoTL venue because it is >>>> peer >>>> reviewed. For education journals published by all the main professional >>>> biology societies peer review insures the publication's excellence - >>>> just >>>> as it does for scientific journals. >>>> This summer I reviewed education proposals for NSF. One sad irony of >>>> TIEE's demise is that nearly every ecology proposal I read referred to >>>> TIEE. >>>> At last weeks AAAS "Vision and Change in Undergraduate Biology >>>> Education" >>>> meeting, college biology teaching informed by research, assessment, and >>>> knowledge about 'how people learn' was seen as vital for the future of >>>> biology education. This is what TIEE embodies. >>>> >>>> Those of you unfamiliar with TIEE can go to tiee.ecoed.net to see what >>>> it >>>> is. There you will find Experiments for lab, Issues for use in lecture, >>>> genuine (e.g. LTER) Data Sets, and research papers written by about 75 >>>> authors and published in 6 volumes since 2004. All are peer reviewed and >>>> are >>>> based on contemporary, researched-based understanding about the most >>>> effective teaching practices. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Charlene D'Avanzo >>>> Professor of Ecology & >>>> Director, Center for Learning >>>> Hampshire College >>>> >>>> Homepage: http://helios.hampshire.edu/~cdNS/ >>>> TIEE: http://tiee.ecoed.net/ >>>> >>>> ************************************ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Malcolm L. 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