"with" was the term I was concerned about. Another very intriguing
term: "mentorship".... hm... :)
Your point is well taken, that it is yet to be seen what impact this
might or might not have on younger scientists compared to the former
policy. Though, with the problems I mentioned before, I think those
making these policies should be very mindful of this, because we're
already losing a whole generation of scientists - and like any species
near extinction, any little thing can wipe it out all together!
On 1/19/2012 12:49 PM, Resetarits, William wrote:
Your points on the challenges facing younger scientists, and science in
general, are well taken. My only point was that this change in Broader Impacts
will not make things more difficult. I suppose you can argue that it won't
help solve the problems you broach, but they are not likely to be solved by
changing review criteria.
I think AD Wingfield meant "students" in the broad sense, as those under the
mentorship of a PI. I doubt is was meant to exclude postdocs, etc.
On 1/19/12 11:34 AM, "Aaron T. Dossey"<bugoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an intriguing choice of words... Some comments: 1) "with",
really?, 2) what about postdocs/postechs/postemps? With more of am
emphasis on having a lab to get a grant, more will be caught in the
catch 22 most of us already are: no position, no funding; no funding, no
position. Some of us are pursuing a more entrepreneurial approach to
carving out our own careers, since Universities seem to be wilting and
dying, providing no new fruit for developing careers. In fact, probably
a majority of postdocs will end up on this track. Having a strong
emphasis on "you have to have resources", especially when most
Universities are reluctant to partner with you unless you are faculty or
work for faculty, stifles those on this type of track.
On 1/19/2012 11:42 AM, Resetarits, William wrote:
Individual PIs collaborating and working with their students
Additionally, data in several reports and articles has clearly shown
that scientists are older and older all the time when they achieve
career benchmarks: like getting a stable position (faculty, etc.), their
own lab, their first RO1, etc. One article recently actually went right
out and said that - this means that professors are NOT where the newer
more innovative ideas is because by the time you become a professor, and
then later when you get your own funding, you are past the most
intellectually productive years of the average human life. They noted
how many nobel prize winning ideas/research projects were done by the
lauriets when they were YOUNGER, and that they could not have even done
those works now days because they wouldn't even have a position by the
time they started that work.
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