Anthony,

You write:
<snip>
>So here is the example failing segment from HIPAA 837:
>SV1*HC:99212*100*UN*1*11*1*1**N
>I see that element 6 must not be used.
>So, I believe the AK4 segment in the generated 997 should be:
>AK4*6**3*1
<snip>

Your reasoning seems correct to me, except that the 6th element (1365) in
SV1 is not composite. You probably meant the 7th element (C004), which is
compisite.

Let us say, if the first component was "not-used" (assuming it was not
mandatory in the standard), while the "6th" composite itself was "used" then
the generated AK4 would be

AK4*6:1*<component de element id>*3*1

Thanks,

Ajay

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Subject: 997 AK401


Here is a fun semantics question:

"This is used to indicate the relative position of a simple data element, or
the relative position of a composite data structure with the relative
position of the component within the composite data structure, in error; in
the data segment the count starts with 1 for the simple data element or
composite data structure immediately following the segment ID."

I read this a meaning that a Composite should be counted a 1 element,
regardless of the count of sub elements.

So here is the example failing segment from HIPAA 837:

SV1*HC:99212*100*UN*1*11*1*1**N

I see that element 6 must not be used.

So, I believe the AK4 segment in the generated 997 should be:

AK4*6**3*1

My colleagues are saying that each sub element should be counted, thus:

AK4*7**3*1

Would anyone care to endorse either of us? My reasoning is that, because
AK401_02 is a place to indicate invalid subelements of composite elements,
the SV101 composite counts as one element, not two, thus the error is in
element position 6, not 7.

Anthony Beecher
EDI Consultant

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