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----- Original Message ---- From: Mario Zambrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:19:21 PM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS Hello, I'm amazed by the incredible amount of mis-information going on around GIS in this thread. Here are the top Vendors for the complete Integration Suite Solution. Sterling Commerce Axway Webmethods (now Software AG) IBM WebSphere Tibco Seeburger All other are what we call niche players, since they don't support all of the necessary technologies to do integration as a whole. Such vendors include - Tumbleweed, Cleo, NewBridges, Inovis, Etc.. We use GIS 4.2 and process millions of transactions through it. I'm not sure if I can say the name of the company I work for? Anyway; Here are is a quick list of things to know about GIS. GIS is the new integration broker suite that Sterling is heavely investing on. It's an SOA based architecture (J2EE) of course that means Java based. It's horizontally scalable, Database Centric (Oracle, MSSQL, Mysql, DB2, Etc) Since it's java, then it's multiplatform. So Sterling doesn't have to continue to manage code bases for all kinds of platforms. (MVS, Unix, Windows,AS400, etc) GIS 4.2 and now 4.3 integrates the Communication's stack with the translation functions, all in one process(Which business process). This is why it beats the old technology Gentran:Server which was essentially all kinds of scripts running one after the other without managing system resources like database pools, and cached objects. GIS 4.2 is meant to be a more graphical friendly approach to developement with their business process development. GIS 4.2 supports the following communications. (EDIINT - AS/1/2/3,FTP/SSL Client services, SSH Client Services, FTP/SSL Server, SSH Server, HTTP Server, HTTP client service, Webdav, Connect:Direct Adapter, , Web file upload inteface from the internet, Etc....) GIS also support Web Services, which would allow an external trading partner to call a webservice to do EDI translation, or anything else. GIS Support certificate management, and also external LDAP authentication support. GIS Support PGP encryption almost turn key. GIS 4.3 now support the creation of Fact Models which allow you to create your own database schema to capture EDI transactional information. GIS is has a mailboxing system which allows you to manage store and forward capabilities. GIS has workflow capabilities with it's web extensions, which allow you to have human interaction for the approval or revision of transactions. GIS Support ERP shops with SAP, Oracle, Webmethods, Tibco, Websphere, and other types of application adapters. There are so many other things that GIS is supporting GIS is not a replacement for Gentran:Server. Gentran:Server was mostly a peer to peer translator. All of G:Server's functions can be done by GIS. I saw someone asking why GIS costs 200k, and I understand the question from an EDi person who's only dealt with Gentran or other EDI translation products. But GIS is a full integration suite, which is why Gartner ranks it high for B2B Gateway Solution. That includes all things to do with Integration, not just EDI. For the most part these suites will all of it's components will cost around $600k. I also saw someone mentioned the Gartner report that people understood to be negative from Gartner regarding GIS. So, I guess is depends who you talk to. That report was warning customer to thing before they move to GIS, mostly because GIS was so much more than Gentran:Server. And people were buying GIS strictly for EDI. That I think is still a mistake, because if a shop has Gentran:Server and it's working fine, and their business requirements don't demand much more than EDI processing you probably should not migrate your EDI operation. You could buy GIS stricly for communications, or Managed File Transfer. Sterling will continue to support Gentran:Server for the long term. However; if a new customer comes in asking for an EDI solution, Sterling will probably not sell them Gentran:Server but rather GIS. It doesn't take much to see why. Anyway; I hope all this helps clarify things. GIS is far more than Gentran:Server. For those of your that used Sterling products before here is something that will help you understand. Old Technology: Gentran:Server Unix, Gentran:Server Windows NT, Connect:Direct MVS,Unix,Windows, Connect:Enterprise Unix, MVS, Gentran:Director, Gentran XML Option for Server, Gentran:Server SAP Extensions, Lifecycle Database, Etc. New Technology: GIS Regards, aemzmrz ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:47:30 PM Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS Sorry the attachment got stripped from the first email. Publication Date: 26 June 2007 ID Number: G00149357 Think Twice About Migrating From Sterling Commerce's Gentran:Server to Gentran Integration Suite Benoit J. Lheureux Here is the summary. The full report can be bought from Gartner Ever since Sterling Commerce released Gentran Integration Suite (GIS), many of the company's Gentran:Server (GS) customers have struggled to understand the relationship between these products, and whether GS applications can or should be ported to GIS. Because the port sometimes requires extensive development work, GS customers should understand their GS application migration options; if they choose to port, then they must set proper expectations for the effort required. Key Findings Sterling Commerce's explanation about the relationship of GIS to GS is, at best, complicated. GIS isn't a direct, functional upgrade product for GS. For many GS customers, there may be no good reason to port their electronic data interchange (EDI) applications to GIS. When the GS-to-GIS porting effort is substantial, it creates an opportunity for competitors to bid alternative products to GIS. Recommendations GS customers should carefully consider all options prior to making a GS-to-GIS migration decision. GS customers that want to migrate their EDI applications to the current GIS release should ask Sterling Commerce for a detailed "gap analysis" of the porting effort, based on their GS version. © 2007 Gartner, Inc. and/or its Affiliates. ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ... 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