I have dealt with UPS for many years and never ran into this issue.  But you
should know that UPS has more than one face when it comes to EDI.

You are right, of course, that the N1, while optional, is required if the
segments of the N1 loop are going to be sent.  It's how the N2 is
identified.  How else do you know if it refers to the ship-from, ship-to,
stopped-at, crashed-near, or other location?

I ran into this type of problem just last week when adding a MSG to the
header section of an 850 so we could convey shipping instructions.  We were
forced to insert an "optional" N9 for no other reason than because the MSG
was in the N9 loop.

Which UPS office are you working with, and with whom are you speaking?  If
you don't get satisfaction from that person, can you ask to speak with the
EDI manager?

Good luck,

Art Douglas
Lead Consultant
Blackwater Network
(877) 464-8915
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EDI-L] EDI with UPS: N2 segment without a preceding N1 segment

Does anyone have a document the prove my claim that an N2  segment 
(Additional Name Information) must always come after an N1 segment 
(Party Identification).

Specifically, we went live with UPS for EDI 214 and they send me, 
sometimes (actually, very rarely) an N2 segment that does not come 
after an N1.

My EDI translator (Inovis TLE Unix) will give me a translation error.

According to UPS, I am the first one to complain about this issue 
with their EDI 214 data. They say that "N1" is optional, which, of 
course it's optional, but it's not optional to have N2 without N1 in 
my opinion.

Ron Herrmann
EDI Coordinator
Brother International Corp.



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