Earl, If one judges by financial performance and a sustainable business model, it is fairly obvious that those responsible have not done a very good job of managing X12 or DISA (and I hold the DISA Board and X12 Steering Committee responsible rather than the DISA staff). However, I personally know most of the parties involved and take exception to your statement that the efforts of the X12 membership are being "abused".
Mike ----------------------------------------- Michael C. Rawlins, Senior Software Engineer, GXS Sent from personal account On 7/2/2013 12:06 PM, Earl Wertheimer wrote: > > Doug > > > We have had this discussion before, free vs. fee. I don't want us to > head > > down that rabbit hole again. > > You call it a rabbit hole. I would call it inevitable. > > > Bill's original post was concerning a change in pricing policy. > > Yes. I am reminded of the ill-fated decision to start sending invoices > for UPC > codes many years ago. > http://www.barcodestalk.com/ucc-settlement > > My experiences with ECCC (Canadian branch of GS1) were not much better. > > A client had used a UPC prefix many years ago, but had 'forgotten' it. > I had a > record of it, but wanted confirmation. I contacted ECCC and asked them > if they > would tell the client what their UPC prefix was, so that they could > start using > it. THEY REFUSED. They said that the client would have to join ECCC and > purchase a new code. I send a complaint to GS1. They ignored it. > > > However, you state that you have never purchased the X12 Standard. I am > > curious, how do you write your EDI software without the base standard? > > In my small corner of EDI, all the specifications are published by the > various > Trading Partners. After doing a few dozen 210 or 810 documents, it > doesn't > require the published spec to figure out what's required and see what the > common denominators are. > > Having the base standard is pretty useless because > a) Most of it is not used > b) If a Partner does something non-standard, what are you going to do? > c) Partners publish their own requirements. > d) the new version is almost identical to the previous version > e) there are so many different interpretations and implementations of > the base > standard, that paying for it is a waste. > > Finally, I don't charge $60,000 for my software. > > I certainly appreciate the time and effort that goes into maintaining the > standard, but your efforts are being abused. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Earl Wertheimer [mailto:ea...@spe-edi.com > <mailto:earlw%40spe-edi.com>] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:05 AM > > To: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com>; Mike Rawlins > > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Standards price change? > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > I'm curious, if you don't mind: How many of you on this list routinely > > > purchase the latest version of the X12 standard every year. > > > > Never bought it. > > > > The revenue goes to support inflated salaries and overpriced rents. > > > > In the few years that I saw DISAs financial records, the primary > expense was > > > > salaries and benefits. > > > > Like any other bureaucratic entity, DISA exists to provide nice jobs > for its > > > > employees. > > > > The X12 standard should be free. > > > > > On 6/28/2013 11:12 AM, Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > Klaus, so you think if I buy the CD and load the codes into my > > > > business application, I am liable for the maintenance fee? Even if I > > > > never use the CD again. > > > > > > > > That's my reading of the terms, since your business application is a > > > > derivative of the product (the CD content). I don't agree with this > > > > type of licensing and lucky for me, my products and services are > > > > UN/EDIFACT based. > > > > > > > > Since we have a few X12'ers on this list, I am sure they can explain > > > > in detail the implication of this new pricing scheme. > > > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > ... > > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: > > <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! 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