Scott David Daniels wrote:

>Arthur wrote:
>
>>    
>>
>>>>I am not convinced "programming" as a stand-alone subject cannot be optimum 
>>>>as an approach.
>>>>        
>>>>
>Could you restate this?  
>  
>
""""
The art is in the clear expression of a solution to a problem..
"""
and

"""
but the art lies not only in a perfected craft, but an ability to see a problem 
and find a solution that seems obvious once found. 

""""

What problem?

What context for problems?

How to we avoid "learning to program" as a game of make beleive, 
attacking self- referential problems that have already been solved.

How do we break the cycle of the best programmers solving the problem of 
making the best IDE that can be used by the  best programmers -  to make 
better IDEs?

Art
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