Hello Kirby et al, Here in Utah we have the newly formed Neumont University, which is largely supported by MSFT and IBM. In 2.5 years students get a "bachelors" in CS. I put it in quotes because, having visited them and heard their spiel and studied their offerings, I believe they are skimping on the liberal arts side (and even the theoretical CS side) of the baccalaureate and churning out recruits for said companies above (the ever-tempting "short cut"). While their graduates will indeed be effective in some technical workplaces, I think the slanted education will take its toll. As a college professor, I am concerned for people who go that fit-a-mold route.
About Arthur's "affiliated" comments, having been both affiliated and non, I've found that I personally can make a greater contribution as an affiliated worker (I sensed some cynical disapproval thereof from Arthur). That doesn't stop me from publishing, lecturing, and doing many other things on the side, while leveraging the benefits and resources of the affiliation. One can be a "team player" and an independent thinker simultaneously. I believe I will soon be successful in making Python our introductory CS language (for CS0, though, not CS1). I still use it in upper division courses whenever possible. (It's a delight in an advanced Programming languages course - a natural to illustrate closures, delegation, etc., and as a bridge to functional programming.) -- Best regards, Chuck _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig