On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 09:00 +0000, Paul Sutton wrote:

> One of the biggest problems I come across seems to be file formats,( I 
> have no problem looking things up), and saving between different formats 
> even saving and .xls so someone can open in excel.  however as I use 
> open office.org, at home and produce documents in this format, I have 
> had people ask me what does .xls, .doc  mean, etc.  So perhaps cover 
> file formats,  and what is the best format to export in, in order to 
> import into another application,  csv, text etc.

This is on the INGOT spec from Bronze level up.

>   Perhaps cover what the 
> different file formats are, and when it may be a good idea to use them,  
> if enough people understand to save things as RTF, or HTML it could save 
> other people a lot of headache, even if I can then say, save as a RTF 
> file, to make sure I can open it,  at least they will know what I mean.
> 
> Perhaps even give people a url so they can look up file extentions, if 
> the need to.

We hope to develop more and more support materials and useful links for
this type of thing for the INGOT web site.

> I guess the biggest problem is every users needs is different, which is 
> why I agree to teach principals,

This is why the INGOT criteria are general and emphasise key principles
such as data exchange, licenses and what is legal and dangers of lock
in. Individual teachers will need to provide practical examples suitable
in their circumstances. We will just provide possible examples rather
than some definitive list that will be too big to be usable and will go
out of date regularly

>   i,e what does format, file, save, 
> mean, also perhaps the difference between operating system and 
> application, the number of people who don't even know what version of 
> windows they are using, or get confused between word 97/2000 and Windows 
> 98/XP is common,  (at least in my experience),  

Yes I agree. For Gold students have to install an operating system and
office suite this should practically draw the distinction.

> I can't help people if I 
> don't know what they are running, so I perhaps ask people to be aware of 
> the operating system they are running,
> 
> Out of interest, I am not even sure what level I am at in terms of IT 
> skills,  what would you classify this senario / solution as
> 
> 1. I want to add a spreadsheet table of fixtures to my web site for the 
> rugby club.
> 
> solution
> 1. Save as Html file
> 2. open in mozilla
> 3. open target file in dreamweaver
> 4. copy and paste the table from mozilla into dreamweaver, in general 
> the part between <table> and </table>
> 5. save in dreamweaver, check the table displays correctly, (and fix to 
> suit if not)
> 6. save final document in dreamweaver
> 7. close down both instances of mozialla
> 8. open ftp client and open connection to site, then open and browse to 
> local folder,
> 9. copy files from local directrory, to remote directory
> 10. close connections
> done

> I don't find this that taxing, just wondered how you would rate this on 
> beginner, intermediate, advanced, skills,  I think being self taught 
> means I find it easier to figure things out, as I am used to it, 

Silver INGOT requires ability to build a basic web site but probably the
combinations get you towards Gold. Read the Gold INGOT criteria and the
teachers guide in the handbook. If you think you can meet the criteria
you are at Gold level. Gold is designed to be a level 2 qualification.
Its the sort of degree of difficulty an average 16 year old should be
able to manage. We haven't done Platinum yet but that will be the sort
of difficulty needed for university entrance. People operating at Gold
level should be fairly functionally self-sufficient in a typical Office
IT environment.

> This is my problem most people I know can from what I can gather just 
> about switch on a computer and type a letter or e-mail,  so I end up 
> having no one I can turn to for help, or to even take over should I be 
> unable to update something.

You have us lot on the OOo mailing lists :-) BTW, I play rugby too. Just
waiting for next season to start. What is your rugby club? I play at
Tamworth in Staffordshire.

-- 
Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ZMSL


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