This looks very interesting, thanks.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:38:27 AM UTC+1, Mark Harwood wrote:
>
> This API should give an indication on any backlog in processing the 
> cluster state: 
> http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/cluster-pending.html
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:29:20 AM UTC+1, Paul wrote:
>>
>> Ok, do you know if there are clear indicators when limits are being 
>> reached?
>>
>> We don't see errors in the logs (apart from the 30s timeout) but if there 
>> are system or ES provided metrics that we can track to know when we need to 
>> scale it would be really useful.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:24:06 AM UTC+1, Mark Walkom wrote:
>>>
>>> Empty or not, there is still metadata that ES needs to maintain in the 
>>> cluster state. So the more indexes you have open the bigger that is and the 
>>> more resources required to track it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mark Walkom
>>>
>>> Infrastructure Engineer
>>> Campaign Monitor
>>> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
>>> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2014 20:16, Paul <codi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In testing and replicating the issue, this slow down has been seen 
>>>> occurring with empty indices. 
>>>>
>>>> The running cluster is at present ~100 GB across 2,200 Indices with a 
>>>> total of 13,500 shards and ~430,000,000 documents.
>>>>
>>>> We have 7GB RAM and 5GB heap on the data nodes - haven't looked overly 
>>>> carefully but don't think the heap is maxing out on any of the nodes when 
>>>> this occurs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:02:32 AM UTC+1, Mark Walkom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like the inevitable "add more nodes" situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> How much RAM on each node, how big is your data set?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mark Walkom
>>>>>
>>>>> Infrastructure Engineer
>>>>> Campaign Monitor
>>>>> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
>>>>> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 May 2014 19:59, Paul <codi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We are seeing a slow down in shard initialization speed as the number 
>>>>>> of shards/indices grows in our cluster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With 0-100's of indices/shards existing in the cluster a new bulk 
>>>>>> creation of indices up the 100's at a time is fine, we see them pass 
>>>>>> through the states and get a green cluster in a reasonable amount of 
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the total cluster size grows to 1000+ indices (3000+ shards) we 
>>>>>> begin to notice that the first rounds of initialization take longer to 
>>>>>> process, it seems to speed up after the first few batches, but this slow 
>>>>>> down leads to "failed to process cluster event (create-index 
>>>>>> [index_1112], cause [auto(bulk api)]) within 30s" type messages in the 
>>>>>> Master logs - the indices are eventually created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone else experienced this? (did you find the cause / way to 
>>>>>> fix?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this somewhat expected behaviour? - are we approaching something 
>>>>>> incorrectly? (there are 3 data nodes involved, with 3 shards per index)
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