Frank,

I’m a bit dated as well, so likely a good fit!

Robie

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:42, donov...@starpower.net wrote:
> 
> Hi Robie,
> 
> The free Second Edition pdf is quite dated (1980), but work every penny of 
> the price!
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> From: "Robie Elms" <rule...@gmail.com>
> To: donov...@starpower.net
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:46:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics
> 
> Thanks for all the feedback.  I’ll look at the pdf 2nd version first!
> 
> Robie
> 
> > On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:13, donov...@starpower.net wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for 
> > $56.50 with free shipping at: 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at: 
> > 
> > 
> > https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEdition/the-art-of-electronics.pdf
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 73 
> > Frank 
> > W3LPL 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: "Mike Markowski" <mike.ab...@gmail.com> 
> > To: "Robie Elms" <rule...@gmail.com> 
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 
> > 
> > Robie, 
> > 
> > I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
> > Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
> > and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be 
> > a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though. 
> > 
> > Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if 
> > you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency 
> > Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec. 
> > 
> > 73, 
> > Mike ab3ap 
> > 
> >> On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: 
> >> Which edition is the most useful for hams? 
> >> 
> >> Robie AJ4F 
> >> 
> >>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski <mike.ab...@gmail.com> 
> >>> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Chuck and all, 
> >>> 
> >>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my 
> >>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete 
> >>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach 
> >>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very 
> >>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution 
> >>> without knowing where the model came from. 
> >>> 
> >>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning 
> >>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE 
> >>> and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the 
> >>> other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to 
> >>> compete with those kids who skated through university 
> >>> effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late 
> >>> than never. :-) 
> >>> 
> >>> 73, Mike ab3ap 
> >>> 
> >>>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a 
> >>>> great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
> >>>> and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I 
> >>>> learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a 
> >>>> plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking 
> >>>> the math course after I learned the math the semester before in 
> >>>> an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the 
> >>>> job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck 
> >>>> KE9UW 
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