Alan and friends please forgive me but I am a member of enough groups for 
different subjects.    I will stick to the Elecraft site and assume perhaps 
wrongly that Eric, Wayne and the gang will still support it.    I do have a K4 
on order and am commited.    There probably have been other forums for 
individual Elecraft products but I never visited them.    Everyone is entitled 
to make their own choices but for me this is the site for all K4 info.    I ask 
forgiveness for this stance.   It is just the gasp of an old geezer.   It is 
not my intent to offend but it seems better to say something now.Peace and 73 
Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Alan - G4GNX <g4...@g4gnx.com> Date: 
28/08/2020  11:34  (GMT+00:00) To: Elecraft Reflector 
<elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 shipping info I tried to 
send this yesterday, but it went astray. :-(Straight from the horse's mouth, so 
that there will be no rumors or doubt:I have the K3S-line and am interested in 
the K4. I do not have an order placed yet. I'm waiting until the kit 
availability is announced.Someone on another group suggested that there should 
be a group setup specifically for the K4.I responded by doing just that. It is 
a group for enthusiasts by enthusiasts. No more, no less. I'm not looking for 
praise. It is what it is. ;-)I would ask new subscribers to be patient. As with 
most groups, your 1st message has to be approved, before you become 
unmoderated. There is a time difference of 5 - 8 hours between the USA and UK, 
so if you send your first  message whilst I'm asleep, it may be delayed. It's 
not personal. :-)The group has sporadic use, depending on information and 
questions on a daily basis. When a small announcement is made, there's usually 
a flurry of activity, which tails off until someone thinks of something else 
they want to discuss, or there's another announcement. Eric and Wayne monitor 
the group when they have time and they answer questions when they have answers. 
I think other Elecraft staff also keep a weather eye on it.I didn't setup the 
K4 group to take over from any Elecraft group, it's just to separate out K4 
traffic from any other Elecraft product, in response to a request from other 
prospective users.73,Alan. G4GNX>>------ Original Message ------>From: "Nr4c" 
<n...@widomaker.com>>To: "Skip Davis" <skipn...@yahoo.com>>Cc: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net>Sent: 28/08/2020 00:37:22>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 
shipping info>>>I don’t think the groups.io group here was setup by Elecraft 
for FTs>>I think it was setup by users like you and me especially to discuss K4 
stuff.>>>>Sent from my iPhone>>...nr4c. bill>>>>>>>  On Aug 27, 2020, at 7:08 
PM, Skip Davis via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:>>>>>>  Grant to 
respond to your reference to not needing another group that is true in some 
respect except the K4 group was probably setup for field testers and Elecraft 
communications only. Being a field tester for the K2 there was a lot of post to 
help improve the product before it was sold to the masses. We were the ones 
that tried to uncover the PC board problems and other such things that were 
initially found. Plus when you design a product you need someone else to 
evaluate it and use it in ways that don’t follow the design operational flow 
diagram you intended.>>>  Opening it up to all that are interested would 
clutter it with way too much unproductive chatter. Case in point is the number 
of posts generated when ever the K4 is mentioned.>>>>>>>>>  Skip Davis, NC9O>>> 
 Sent from my 
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