Maybe I'm missing something here, but it would seem to me that if an FET linear 
amplifier running from 50 V or higher  is considerably cleaner than one running 
from 12 V, that, for a high end rig, a simple step-up switching supply could 
solve the problem.  But, that obviously adds to the cost so it IS somewhat of a 
conundrum.

However, implementing the pre-distortion function IS probably a better 
long-term solution.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why predistortion ?



Of course, but that's a conscious choice by Elecraft and it does not result in 
the "cleanest, purest signals around."  I give Elecraft tons of credit for the 
other measures they have take to produce good signals, which is why I own and 
will keep my upgraded K3 probably forever, but K8JHR simply was incorrect in 
his comment and it makes a difference when considering the expanding focus by 
folks like Sherwood and others to clean up the bands.  When it comes to IMD, 
Elecraft is not one of the better players.  The fact that that's by choice 
doesn't change anything.  I suspect that 95+% of K3 rigs are used in 
portable/emergency situations less than 5% of the time.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 9/13/2020 7:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 12 volts is a severe constraint for MOSFET PAs. But, like a lot of other 
> manufacturers, we accept this constraint so the equipment can be used in a 
> wide variety of portable/emergency power situations. As a result we have IMD 
> numbers in exactly the same range as other products that are subject to this 
> constraint.
>
> On the other hand, our transceivers are best in class in terms of transmitted 
> keying bandwidth. See paper by K9YC for example. Perhaps that's what JR was 
> thinking of.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:50 PM, David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know where you got the idea that the K-Line produces the cleanest 
>> signals.  As several people have pointed out, because of the 12 volt finals 
>> the transmit IMD performance of the existing K-line is relatively poor.
>>
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 9/13/2020 2:32 PM, JR wrote:
>>> Why are so many ops obsessed with predistortion?
>>>
>>> The Elecraft K-Line already produces some of the cleanest, purest transmit 
>>> signals around.   Do we need predistortion ?  If so, why, and how much 
>>> better is it than what we already have?  Should I wait to buy a new rig 
>>> until that is available?
>>>
>>> Thanks and Happy Trails to all.   K8JHR
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