You know that eventually (probably already) the developers of AI are
going to be using AI to enhance ... maybe even direct ... the AI coding
of the future, right?
Apparently you don't.
Dave AB7E
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On Monday, September 29, 2025, 2:24 PM, David Gilbert via Elecraft
<[email protected]> wrote:
As others have said, AI today merely replies based upon the data
it was
trained on, aided by a very fast and very broad real time online
search
capability. That search capability is one reason I use ChatGPT
... its
replies are faster and broader than Google, for me at least.
Sometimes when I ask ChaGPT a question it gives me an inaccurate
response and I need to correct it to get the proper result. ChatGPT
remembers that (for me) and (usually) doesn't make the same mistake
again if I ask it a related question, but AI currently doesn't
aggregate what it learns from multiple users. In other words, the
feedback it gets from its interactions with one batch of users is not
used to "teach" it how to more accurately respond to a similar
question
from other users. At least part of that limitation is per the
decision
of the developers, such as for user privacy concerns.
However ... that is not necessarily how it will be in the future.
Humans
learn from others, not just their own perceptions and observations of
the world around them ... i.e., the raw "data". AI could do the same
... and then who knows what we will get. So I asked ChatGPT this
question:
"How long do you think it will be before AI is able to aggregate
what it
learns from a broad spectrum of interactions with multiple users?" I
got the response below. It's a cut&paste so hopefully it makes it
through the reflector.
Dave AB7E
p.s. The comment about "drift" is a real issue I hadn't considered.
Pretty interesting.
*Technically:* we’re already there (in a limited way)
OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, etc., already do something like this
today —
but not by letting the model itself remember. Instead:
*
They *collect and anonymize* user interactions.
*
Those logs feed into *future training runs or fine-tunes* of
the model.
*
The new model you get months later has improved capabilities based
on /aggregate/ patterns — but not on any specific identifiable
conversation.
So in effect, “learning from a broad spectrum of interactions”
already
happens; it’s just *offline* and at periodic update intervals, not
continuous and in real time.
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*What isn’t here yet:* true “online lifelong learning”
That would mean the model you’re chatting with today is directly
shaped
by everyone’s conversations from yesterday. That’s technically harder
(you risk drift, bias, privacy leaks), and it’s a regulatory
minefield.
To do it safely you’d need:
*
Very robust anonymization and filtering.
*
Real-time evaluation for harmful or biased shifts.
*
Clear user consent and opt-out mechanisms.
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*Timeline guess (if done responsibly):*
*
*Within 2–4 years*: Large commercial AIs may begin limited, opt-in
“online fine-tuning” where they adapt weekly or monthly using
anonymized data.
*
*5–8 years*: We’ll probably see truly “continuously learning”
public
models, but with heavy privacy layers and regulatory oversight.
*
*Beyond that*: Personal AIs that combine global learning with your
private, encrypted data for hyper-personalized experiences,
without
leaking your details to others.
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So the short version:
*
The /aggregate learning/ you’re imagining already happens
today, but
in batches and offline.
*
Real-time, ongoing learning from everyone at once is coming — but
probably in a *measured, opt-in* way over the next decade, not
as a
sudden flip.
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