> Consumer line level ins and outs are designed to handle levels > corresonding to a sine wave of at least 1V. 1.4v peak, 2.8v > p-p. 600mV p-p is 13 dB below that. So yes, I agree with the > guy who says that the Line Out level is pretty low. Sorta like > a hot mic level. :)
Unfortunately, amateur manufacturers have never used the consumer definition of "line level." Every manufacturer seems to have a different definition for both level and impedance ... from 100 mV at 50K to 4V p-p at 600 Ohms. With the AF output mod (47 Ohms in series with the primary of the Line Out transformers), the K3's Line Out looks reasonably clean at 1V or more of audio. Prior to the change, harmonic distortion got fairly bad above 600 mV p-p. The absolute audio level is highly dependent on AGC settings - or the gain reduction caused by AGC action. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:25 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LINE OUT output too low? > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:16:28 -0800, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > >On my K3, with the AFMODKT changes in place on the KIO3 board, and > >driving an open circuit, I get up to 600 mV p-p of audio > output if LINE > >OUT is set to 100 while listening to a moderately strong signal with > AGC > >activated. This of course depends on the signal strength, > AGC settings > >and so forth. > > >A typical output level is less, since the LINE OUT is > normally set much > >lower than 100. > > Consumer line level ins and outs are designed to handle levels > corresonding to a sine wave of at least 1V. 1.4v peak, 2.8v > p-p. 600mV > p-p is 13 dB below that. So yes, I agree with the guy who > says that the > Line Out level is pretty low. Sorta like a hot mic level. :) > > Now, audio is dynamic, and except for CW, is almost never a > sine wave. > Rather, it's dynamic, with its level varying widely depending on > program. The RMS value of unprocessed (no compression or limiting) > speech and music is typically 14 dB below the peak level. But > think of > it this way -- the audio circuitry has to be able to handle ALL the > voltage in the audio stream, including all the noise and QRM, > and most > of that noise is very "spiky" -- that is, their peaks are > often 20-30 dB > hotter than their average value, and those peaks can clip and create > distortion long before the signal distorts, making the audio a real > mess. Bottom line -- an audio output stage for a > communications RX needs > a lot of headroom. > > 73, > > Jim K9YC > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
