Apologies to Rob. From the reading of what he wrote, it appeared he was attacking folks who supported Condorcet methods. Rob says I misunderstood what he wrote, so I apologize. But I STRONGLY urge advocates to write more clearly, because no matter how I parse what Rob said, it comes out as an attack against Condorcet and Condorcet advocates.
FWIW I am not an advocate of any method, just interested in understanding all of them. It's really hard, because people use undefined acronymns and write vauguely. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] On Behalf Of Rob Lanphier > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:59 PM > To: Paul Kislanko > Cc: election-methods-electorama.com@electorama.com; 'Warren Smith' > Subject: RE: [EM] Center for Range Voting Formed > > On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 12:42 -0500, Paul Kislanko wrote: > > Rob, please lose the invective and the misleading statements: > > invective? > > > "Your tactic a very similar tactic to one used by many Condorcet > > advocates which I also object to. Condorcet fails the "Independence > > from Irrelevant Alternatives" criterion (IIAC), made famous > by Kenneth > > Arrow in his Nobel prize winning theorem. Many Condorcet > advocates have > > tried to dance around this issue by redefining IIAC to be > "Local IIAC", > > and pointing out that some Condorcet methods pass "Local > IIAC", /before/ > > confessing that they fail IIAC as defined by Arrow." > > > > Well, Arrow's Nobel Prize-winning theorem was that EVERY > method MUST fail > > one of his four criteria. So Condorcet fails IIAC? > Everybody knows it must > > fail one or another. > > No, they don't. Everyone who knows Arrow's theorem does. > Not everyone > knows Arrow's theorem, though. > > > If the argument is that IIAC is more important than the > other 3 criteria, > > please list the criteria that your favorite method > (whatever it is) fails to > > satisfy, in the interest of your post's concern about other > folks' failures > > to disclose everything. > > Ummm....I'm a longtime Condorcet advocate. Google > "Condorcet's method" > and see what shows up at the top of the search results. > > Rob > > > ---- > Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em > for list info > ---- Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info